If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.
If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.
I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
Exactly. I'm not against forced maternity/paternity leave. I'm just not in agreement that the government should force it to be paid. Many companies allow people to roll over sick days, vacation days, etc. People just need to get creative.
It's called planning
Planning if wrapping that Jimmy up and not being in a spot where this is even an issue.
Why do you hate mixing in some RU-486 into her drinks?
Many of you have pointed out some valid economic reasons why this is problematic and difficult, and you're not wrong. If there was an easy solution, it wouldn't be a problem.
But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
Many of you have pointed out some valid economic reasons why this is problematic and difficult, and you're not wrong. If there was an easy solution, it wouldn't be a problem.
But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
Many of you have pointed out some valid economic reasons why this is problematic and difficult, and you're not wrong. If there was an easy solution, it wouldn't be a problem.
But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
Sounds like a great culture where they work. Winners using peer pressure to keep the slackers in line.
Many of you have pointed out some valid economic reasons why this is problematic and difficult, and you're not wrong. If there was an easy solution, it wouldn't be a problem.
But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
I don't really hate this poast. I'd still prefer things to stay as is, but if paid LEAVE! became a thing I'd hate it a hell of a lot less than most of our gubmint programs. The education poont was well stated.
You've made me THINK and CARE more about this issue.
Many of you have pointed out some valid economic reasons why this is problematic and difficult, and you're not wrong. If there was an easy solution, it wouldn't be a problem.
But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
Valid points Fremont
I'm just concerned about the trickle down effect when something like this goes through. Decreased overall pay and gender discrimination to name a couple.
Will both parents each get the paid leave, or is it limited to one per household? That needs to be answered.
Is there a max that companies have to pay? For instance, someone making $5000+/month puts the company at a very difficult position to have to pay that and pay temporary help while he/she is away.
But don't underestimate companies making consumers and employees pay for that one way or another. That's what has me concerned.
Guys enough with this agreeing with each other crap. This is the fucking Tug. Start posting a bunch of links no one is going to click just so CirrhosisDawg can get mad and tell everyone to die some more.
Guys enough with this agreeing with each other crap. This is the fucking Tug. Start posting a bunch of links no one is going to click just so CirrhosisDawg can get mad and tell everyone to die some more.
The same reactionaries always freak out over things like this and act like unemployment and prices will spike 10 percent.
95% of countries on earth have this, including all the other rich ones. It can be done.
Fugly bitch with saggy tits having four kids with four different men for government money....that's a different issue.
Like Fremont said, 40 or 50 years ago, the man of the house could support a family and the wife could stay home in most cases. My mom quit being a teacher after a year or two in the 60s before my oldest brother was born. That's the way it was then. If the labor force and wages were similar, I don't see much of a need for this, but it's not even close...
Guys enough with this agreeing with each other crap. This is the fucking Tug. Start posting a bunch of links no one is going to click just so CirrhosisDawg can get mad and tell everyone to die some more.
All that needed to happen for agreement was the R candidate to step in line with the D's.
The same reactionaries always freak out over things like this and act like unemployment and prices will spike 10 percent.
95% of countries on earth have this, including all the other rich ones. It can be done.
Fugly bitch with saggy tits having four kids with four different men for government money....that's a different issue.
Like Fremont said, 40 or 50 years ago, the man of the house could support a family and the wife could stay home in most cases. My mom quit being a teacher after a year or two in the 60s before my oldest brother was born. That's the way it was then. If the labor force and wages were similar, I don't see much of a need for this, but it's not even close...
@FMB: The issue is whether it should be an employer mandate, not whether it's a good idea or not. And if so, what size employer? It will be arbitrary and unfair, because some employers are big enough to shoulder it and offer it as a perk, while other employers, whether smaller or just less profitable, can't. And many will be exempted, so, just like salaries, some people get the perk and some don't. I'd favor it across the board, or not at all. Anything between interferes with market forces and picks winners and losers, which government should never do.
If by household you mean trailer with a steady stream of low confidence whores with great tits, then the answer is still no to little Swaye's.
Yes I am quoting myself so fuck off. Just got to thinkign about this reply. So, I raw dogged a slut in New Jersey two nights ago (more details in the Wigwam - shameless plug), and that may have produced a child. Or AIDS. Or both. Using that metric, I could have dozens of little Swaye's roaming around the US. Lucky for me, and them, I am no part of their lives.
If by household you mean trailer with a steady stream of low confidence whores with great tits, then the answer is still no to little Swaye's.
Yes I am quoting myself so fuck off. Just got to thinkign about this reply. So, I raw dogged a slut in New Jersey two nights ago (more details in the Wigwam - shameless plug), and that may have produced a child. Or AIDS. Or both. Using that metric, I could have dozens of little Swaye's roaming around the US. Lucky for me, and them, I am no part of their lives.
Viva La Raza! Close as I could get. Can't speak Cherokee for shit.
Wait! One little, two little, three little Indians....
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But think of it like education: if you don't have kids, you still get taxed to pay for schools, which you do not directly benefit from. But the overall good to society that education provides is unquestionable. Could schools be more cost efficient, less bureaucratic, etc? Sure, but that's a separate issue. The solution to those problems isn't to eliminate public education.
Allowing families, regardless of class, to spend time with their newborn child is a net positive to society too. It's easy to tell someone to switch jobs to someplace that offers paid leave or to "plan better", but that's not an option for many folks out there. What if you planned well, but then have a complicated pregnancy/delivery and get wiped out (financially, banked vacation/sick days) due to extra/urgent care needed for baby and/or mom?
All I'm saying is shit happens, and not everyone that has kids can plan for every contingency. This seems like a valid reason for providing assistance and having a little compassion. The fact that some small fraction of people abuse entitlements and lack personal responsibility does not mean this isn't an issue worth solving.
Look, I have plenty of extended family that I wish would get sterilized and stop popping out more fucking kids. They're poor or stupid, usually abundance. But I also know plenty of well off professionals that have high stress high paying jobs where they are afraid to even use the leave that is offered because of the negative perception around this topic. We? can do better.
You've made me THINK and CARE more about this issue.
TYFYS.
I'm just concerned about the trickle down effect when something like this goes through. Decreased overall pay and gender discrimination to name a couple.
Will both parents each get the paid leave, or is it limited to one per household? That needs to be answered.
Is there a max that companies have to pay? For instance, someone making $5000+/month puts the company at a very difficult position to have to pay that and pay temporary help while he/she is away.
But don't underestimate companies making consumers and employees pay for that one way or another. That's what has me concerned.
That's what my parents did to me and I turned....
I need to call my sponsor.
95% of countries on earth have this, including all the other rich ones. It can be done.
Fugly bitch with saggy tits having four kids with four different men for government money....that's a different issue.
Like Fremont said, 40 or 50 years ago, the man of the house could support a family and the wife could stay home in most cases. My mom quit being a teacher after a year or two in the 60s before my oldest brother was born. That's the way it was then. If the labor force and wages were similar, I don't see much of a need for this, but it's not even close...
1. No kids, be a cool uncle. Or don't. Either way....you know
2. Sire bastard children across the us, keep tabs on them. Claim the ones who are looking to be successful.
Wait! One little, two little, three little Indians....