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greenblood
greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
Now Trump is making this part of his agenda.

Having a child is a choice. If you can't afford a child don't have a child. An employer shouldn't have to pay for paternity or maternity leave.

I don't care if other countries pay it. The other countries have it wrong.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Government telling businesses how to compensate their employees. Sounds like some communist bullshit right there.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Trump is a big government liberal which is why Race loves him.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    Someone doesn't have a child.

    Or he doesn't give a fuck the other dad is having to get up multiple times a night as his lazy ass sleeps.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    PurpleJ said:

    Or you can attract good employees by offering quality benefits like this.

    Maternity/paternity leave isn't about being able to afford a child, it's about spending time with them during critical stages of early childhood and family development. However, I imagine it would be difficult to afford a child if someone were to lose a job over it. That's the choice people without paid or even unpaid leave are forced to make.

    Sounds like you don't have that option where you work, or are afraid of having to pay it to your employees. Which is unfortunate for you. But that's no reason to deny a scientifically proven benefit to our species to others.

    This wasn't an issue back in the day because a man could easily support his family on a single income. Today, dual incomes are often a necessary reality to support a family (stagnant wage growth coming home to roost), which means the stay at home mom is fast becoming extinct. The flip side is many companies lose qualified and talented female employees that choose to stay home, and are forced to hire and train replacements. That costs money too.

    I've retained talented employees by supporting them in this important time. I think you'll find that this course of action not only benefits them personally, but strengthens the loyalty and commitment they feel towards their place of employment. You get better performance and long term value by treating employees as people. Plus it's the right thing to do.

    We hear a lot of lip service paid to family values by politicians, but things like this, women's health, and social safety net programs that protect needy families are constantly under attack and labeled as entitlements. Maybe those things actually make a huge difference.

    This helps Trump IMHO.

    There's my TL;DR dash of perspective for the day...brought to you by this #FreshBowl of #TeamSativa.

    So you freely admit that it's in the company's best interest to provide paid leave, but want the taxpayer to foot the bill for the companies who don't?

    If the labor market demands paid leave and some companies won't provide it, those companies will suffer the consequences. Or you could force it with taxation and enjoy all the unintended consequences of government coercion. Barriers to entry for new businesses, increased tax burden, the possibility of firms discriminating against young women, etc.

    Such awesome J.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    We think women are being discriminated against now, wait until this goes through. I don't want to see the job market for women between 21-35 when this initiative is approved. That's what's going to be unfair.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    That would have been illegal, but still.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    That would have been illegal, but still.
    Exactly. I'm saying the maternity laws we have now are correct IMO.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,076

    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    Exactly. I'm not against forced maternity/paternity leave. I'm just not in agreement that the government should force it to be paid. Many companies allow people to roll over sick days, vacation days, etc. People just need to get creative.

    It's called planning
    Planning if wrapping that Jimmy up and not being in a spot where this is even an issue.

  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    Exactly. I'm not against forced maternity/paternity leave. I'm just not in agreement that the government should force it to be paid. Many companies allow people to roll over sick days, vacation days, etc. People just need to get creative.

    It's called planning
    Planning if wrapping that Jimmy up and not being in a spot where this is even an issue.

    Why do you hate mixing in some RU-486 into her drinks?
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Swaye said:

    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    Wait. You have kids? That aren't mine? What in the holy fuck!
    At least his kids have two dads.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,277
    edited September 2016

    Now Trump is making this part of his agenda.

    Having a child is a choice. If you can't afford a child don't have a child. An employer shouldn't have to pay for paternity or maternity leave.

    I don't care if other countries pay it. The other countries have it wrong.

    Sounds like a great business model Kaepernick.

    Let me know how that works out for you.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Swaye said:

    dnc said:

    You are so fucking wrong that it hurts.

    If businesses want to offer it they can, but the government shouldn't make them. I think it's a good thing if a business offers it, but again it should be their choice. This is an issue the government has no business getting into. Maternity/Paternity leave is already offered, and paid depending on the business.

    If your company doesn't offer it, then find a new job. But don't gripe about it being unfair.
    I think 6 weeks maternity/one week paternity leave should be mandatory, but I think paid or unpaid should be the company's choice.

    I took two weeks vacation time for paternity leave with both of my kids. It was awesome, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And I didn't resent my employer for not paying for it, we planned our vacation time for it. My wife took 6 weeks maternity for both of them, unpaid. Would have been awesome had it been paid, but we weren't in that position. I don't think it's anybody else's responsibility to pay for me to have kids. If they wouldn't have let her get the time off or would have let her go during her time off I would have been pissed though.
    Wait. You have kids? That aren't mine? What in the holy fuck!
    Papooses to you honey
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,885 Founders Club

    Trump is a big government liberal which is why Race loves him.

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  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    We already pay the most in the world for childbirth:

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    Would be nice for our wives to not have to return to work with a bleeding vagina and an empty wallet.

    But fuck it, if Papua New Guinea is doing it, you know it's right.

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    I'd be all for setting up an unemployment-like fund that you can opt-in and draw up to $500 a week, preferably based on a percentage of what you pay into. Three month minimum for maternity, two weeks for paternity.

    There isn't enough job mobility or freedom of information to leave these benefits up to employers. I can't go to fucking Amazon.com and pick out the employer with the best maternity leave. Leave employers out of it altogether.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter

    We already pay the most in the world for childbirth:

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    Would be nice for our wives to not have to return to work with a bleeding vagina and an empty wallet.

    But fuck it, if Papua New Guinea is doing it, you know it's right.

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    I'd be all for setting up an unemployment-like fund that you can opt-in and draw up to $500 a week, preferably based on a percentage of what you pay into. Three month minimum for maternity, two weeks for paternity.

    There isn't enough job mobility or freedom of information to leave these benefits up to employers. I can't go to fucking Amazon.com and pick out the employer with the best maternity leave. Leave employers out of it altogether.

    Pretty much agree. If society at large wants this subsidy, tax for it so everybody contributes, even the employees themselves. Otherwise, it's just raiding the business's bank account for things it has no control over and derives no ROI for.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    edited September 2016

    We already pay the most in the world for childbirth:

    image

    Would be nice for our wives to not have to return to work with a bleeding vagina and an empty wallet.

    But fuck it, if Papua New Guinea is doing it, you know it's right.

    image

    I'd be all for setting up an unemployment-like fund that you can opt-in and draw up to $500 a week, preferably based on a percentage of what you pay into. Three month minimum for maternity, two weeks for paternity.

    There isn't enough job mobility or freedom of information to leave these benefits up to employers. I can't go to fucking Amazon.com and pick out the employer with the best maternity leave. Leave employers out of it altogether.

    Pretty much agree. If society at large wants this subsidy, tax for it so everybody contributes, even the employees themselves. Otherwise, it's just raiding the business's bank account for things it has no control over and derives no ROI for.
    Options that include tax credits or employer subsidies, the cost of which will be passed along to consumers, snag monies from non beneficiaries. The best and most fair solution is an employee funded portable HSA. If you can't afford to fund the HSA, then you can't afford kids and shouldn't have them. If you can, then you're demonstrating a level of responsibility commensurate with being a parent, and you should have kids if you choose to.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Funny the response to this. If it were Hillary, you'd call her a communist. But because the person who said it had an R next to his name, some of you disagree but there's no outrage.

    Just sayin.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter

    We already pay the most in the world for childbirth:

    image

    Would be nice for our wives to not have to return to work with a bleeding vagina and an empty wallet.

    But fuck it, if Papua New Guinea is doing it, you know it's right.

    image

    I'd be all for setting up an unemployment-like fund that you can opt-in and draw up to $500 a week, preferably based on a percentage of what you pay into. Three month minimum for maternity, two weeks for paternity.

    There isn't enough job mobility or freedom of information to leave these benefits up to employers. I can't go to fucking Amazon.com and pick out the employer with the best maternity leave. Leave employers out of it altogether.

    Pretty much agree. If society at large wants this subsidy, tax for it so everybody contributes, even the employees themselves. Otherwise, it's just raiding the business's bank account for things it has no control over and derives no ROI for.
    Options that include tax credits or employer subsidies, the cost of which will be passed along to consumers, snag monies from non beneficiaries. The best and most fair solution is an employee funded portable HSA. If you can't afford to fund the HSA, then you can't afford kids and shouldn't have them. If you can, then you're demonstrating a level of responsibility commensurate with being a parent, and you should have kids if you choose to.
    But, but, but: There's a huge cost to only subsidizing poor people and immigrants having all the kids like we do now. An immigrant family nearby has 10 kids, lives in an SHA house, and we pay for it all. Since those programs aren't going anywhere soon, we need to balance the subsidies so having kids isn't cost prohibitive for productive, responsible middle-class and working-class families, too.
    It's just wrong to mandate that the employer pays for it. Again, if society at large supports it, it should be a tax, not a penalty exacted on successful businesses.
  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279

    Now Trump is making this part of his agenda.

    Having a child is a choice. If you can't afford a child don't have a child. An employer shouldn't have to pay for paternity or maternity leave.

    I don't care if other countries pay it. The other countries have it wrong.

    I wish the govt had paid your mom to give you a scrape job.