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Aetna Ditching 70% Obamacare Business
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Fuck you Hondo. You Yahoo/Huffington Post devouring dickheads are a fucking joke. Try doing your own homework you lazy, codependent cunt.2001400ex said:
Yes, that's the point. The more people you spread the costs over, the cheaper it is for everyone. How much do you think hospitals and doctors pay for collection agencies?Fenderbender123 said:
I've probably known a person who's lost their insurance after getting sick. I know people who have been dropped from their car insurance after getting in a wreck, too. It's really the same concept.2001400ex said:
You didn't answer my questions. But I'll ask you this additional question. What is your proposed solution then?Fenderbender123 said:
Have you ever considered that everything has a cost, and that allowing people to be free allows for equilibrium spending for services? It's often times extremely expensive to give somebody a slight extension of their life, and as horrible as it might sound, sometimes it's really not worth it.2001400ex said:
Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in.
There is no magic formula to make everyone happy. If a doctor came up to me and said "Mr bender123, you have ________, and you're going to die in 3 months unless we perform this surgery on you which costs $400,000. And if you do have the surgery, you're probably only gonna live for another 3 years." I'd say it probably isn't worth it. If I had the money, sure I'd pay it. But I wouldn't sit there and cry about how everyone else should be forced to chip in to give me a slight life extension.
Government is already a huge reason why everything costs so much. Shortage of doctors, for example. That's inflating the salary of doctors, and costing everyone money when they want to see one. What's preventing the country from having a steady supply? Regulations. You can't just start practicing medicine, you've got to go through a whole bunch of shit, have enough money to pay for the excess barriers to business, and be approved by a board of existing doctors who have an incentive to keep the supply short. For example, there are a lot of perfectly qualified and experienced doctors who could start practicing, but we don't let them because they can't get residency acceptance due to having been educated in other parts of the world. Fucked up.
It costs a lot of money to fix cars and people. If we force insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of any ailments, those costs will be felt by everyone, not just the insurance companies.
But back to the question. What's your proposed solution?
You blabber on endlessly about how great socialism and Hillary are, then get stuck in a corner and cry "Well, what's YOUR solution?" All you want is to be cradled and not have to pull your own weight.
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Do you really think businesses pay collection agencies more than they help bring in? I'm not sure where you're going with that question.2001400ex said:
How much do you think hospitals and doctors pay for collection agencies?
But back to the question. What's your proposed solution
My proposed solution is to let everyone freely come up with their own solution. Every problem is different so every solution is different. Let everyone's values manifest naturally.
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*-Premium change is statistically different from previous period shown.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year.......
Nothings change here. -
From my fucking bill is where I get the info! Company says it's due to ObaMao Care costs being higher.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year....... -
Average premium increases more than halved from 1999-2004 - 2004-2009, but then only dropped by 24% from 2004-2009 - 2009-2014.
When you consider the trend, the numbers in that chart suggest that the ACA has indeed increased the cost of premiums, which in my mind has no doubt happened. I mean, we're covering more people, and we're covering people who are extremely costly to cover...obviously that's going to impact the price of premiums.
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That's settles it then.Sledog said:
From my fucking bill is where I get the info! Company says it's due to ObaMao Care costs being higher.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year.......
Did your company get off the gold standard in 1933, too?
Your insurer probably needed that 13% to cover the costs of your full blown AIDS. -
I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is more accurate than an aggregate industrial-wide measurement.Sledog said:
From my fucking bill is where I get the info! Company says it's due to ObaMao Care costs being higher.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year....... -
That's fine, just compare '04-'08 to '09-14.salemcoog said:
*-Premium change is statistically different from previous period shown.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year.......
Nothings change here. -
No they said your proctologist bills were so high everyone had to get an increase. Something about the purchase of miners hats and trying to locate 7 monkeys on a moped trying to make a u-turn. I'm sure they had room......dflea said:
That's settles it then.Sledog said:
From my fucking bill is where I get the info! Company says it's due to ObaMao Care costs being higher.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year.......
Did your company get off the gold standard in 1933, too?
Your insurer probably needed that 13% to cover the costs of your full blown AIDS. -
UWhuskytskeet said:
That's fine, just compare '04-'08 to '09-14.salemcoog said:
*-Premium change is statistically different from previous period shown.UWhuskytskeet said:
Not sure where you're getting 13% for this year, but premium increases have slowed since Obamacare. They've always grown every year, Obamacare or not.Sledog said:
Yeah its worked great under ObaMao Care! Only a 13% increase in premiums this year.......
Nothings change here.Fenderbender123 said:
Average premium increases more than halved from 1999-2004 - 2004-2009, but then only dropped by 24% from 2004-2009 - 2009-2014.
When you consider the trend, the numbers in that chart suggest that the ACA has indeed increased the cost of premiums, which in my mind has no doubt happened. I mean, we're covering more people, and we're covering people who are extremely costly to cover...obviously that's going to impact the price of premiums.
