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Yet another prominent (R) for Clinton, says Trump is a national embarrassment, list grows every day
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Pity you aren't.Sledog said:
Stalin and Mao are dead.OZONE said:
I disagree with you. So do two Billionaires with more impressive resume's than Trump's.TurdBuffer said:
From the looks of it, more than half of the Hillary-loving/Trump-fearing bed-wetters don't even know that congress authorizes and controls federal spending. Seriously gonna take issue with my point? Trump's bankruptcies have as much to do with his potential presidency as Hillary's being a shitty wife has to do with hers. If these social media driven criteria are the key issues for some people, their lives are already fucked. That's all.CirrhosisDawg said:
"Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter."TurdBuffer said:
OK! This is going from the ridiculous to the sublime. The US has been in over it's head for decades, spending more than it takes in, i.e., insolvent, except for one thing: It can always print more money. If a business owner could do that, even the worst of the worst would never go bankrupt. Apples vs Oranges, dummies.OZONE said:
Losing a game in basketball, or picking a stock that underperforms the S&P500, are vastly different than running a business so poorly that it declares bankruptcy.Fenderbender123 said:
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching".
You can run a business poorly, but have a small profit and pay your obligations.
But running it so poorly that you declare bankruptcy, is like saying "fuck, I'm in way over my head here, I can't even afford to pay my debts. Gov't, please help me get of of my debts".
When Trump gets in way over his head with the US, who is going to bail him out?
Hate the Trump and love the Hillary. Be my guest. But many of you are ill-educated financial morons growing dumber with each successive post. Someday the U.S. currency will cease to be the world standard, but probably not in any of our lifetimes. It was supposed to be the Yen, then the Euro, now the Yuon. And it ain't like Hillary has a fucking clue, either. No democrat has known fuck-all about money since Daniel Patrick Moynihan died. Google him, shit-for-brains. You might learn something.
--Dick Cheney
This thread is fascinating. First I learn that the US is bankrupt, and now I learn that in addition the US is insolvent. Way to teach up all the "financial morons" around here. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
I'd say you are on the losing side. -
Only one thing is certain: We're electing an asshole this November.
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salemcoog said:
You mean over 100% and headed higher with interest rates sure to increaase on it. Sure.... were not Greece but were not healthy eitherCirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard.
"The deficit projected by CBO would increase debt held
by the public to 76 percent of GDP by the end of 2016,
the agency estimates—about 2 percentage points higher
than it was last year and higher than it has been since the
years immediately following World War II."
--CBO, January 2016.
Current year estimates (Fiscal Year 2016 ending Spet. 30) stay true to the 75% estimate. See also OMB and the FED (KOMO TV 4 and all that). The US government does not have debt outstanding greater than its gross domestic product.
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CirrhosisDawg said:salemcoog said:
You mean over 100% and headed higher with interest rates sure to increaase on it. Sure.... were not Greece but were not healthy eitherCirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard.
"The deficit projected by CBO would increase debt held
by the public to 76 percent of GDP by the end of 2016,
the agency estimates—about 2 percentage points higher
than it was last year and higher than it has been since the
years immediately following World War II."
--CBO, January 2016.
Current year estimates (Fiscal Year 2016 ending Spet. 30) stay true to the 75% estimate. See also OMB and the FED (KOMO TV 4 and all that). The US government does not have debt outstanding greater than its gross domestic product.
I'm talking about Government debt. It's around 103%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
So in other words.... you're full of shit. Your'e not counting intergovernmental debt such as liabilities to Social Security and such. It's still debt all the same. -
How much of that government debt has pledged revenue streams. Such as bond debt held by a city?salemcoog said:CirrhosisDawg said:salemcoog said:
You mean over 100% and headed higher with interest rates sure to increaase on it. Sure.... were not Greece but were not healthy eitherCirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard.
"The deficit projected by CBO would increase debt held
by the public to 76 percent of GDP by the end of 2016,
the agency estimates—about 2 percentage points higher
than it was last year and higher than it has been since the
years immediately following World War II."
--CBO, January 2016.
Current year estimates (Fiscal Year 2016 ending Spet. 30) stay true to the 75% estimate. See also OMB and the FED (KOMO TV 4 and all that). The US government does not have debt outstanding greater than its gross domestic product.
I'm talking about Government debt. It's around 103%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
So in other words.... you're full of shit. Your'e not counting intergovernmental debt such as liabilities to Social Security and such. It's still debt all the same.
Holy fucktarded statistic. -
I bet money you've blasted Obama for excessive spending and bankrupting our country more than once.TurdBuffer said:
From the looks of it, more than half of the Hillary-loving/Trump-fearing bed-wetters don't even know that congress authorizes and controls federal spending. Seriously gonna take issue with my point? Trump's bankruptcies have as much to do with his potential presidency as Hillary's being a shitty wife has to do with hers. If these social media driven criteria are the key issues for some people, their lives are already fucked. That's all.CirrhosisDawg said:
"Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter."TurdBuffer said:
OK! This is going from the ridiculous to the sublime. The US has been in over it's head for decades, spending more than it takes in, i.e., insolvent, except for one thing: It can always print more money. If a business owner could do that, even the worst of the worst would never go bankrupt. Apples vs Oranges, dummies.OZONE said:
Losing a game in basketball, or picking a stock that underperforms the S&P500, are vastly different than running a business so poorly that it declares bankruptcy.Fenderbender123 said:
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching".
You can run a business poorly, but have a small profit and pay your obligations.
But running it so poorly that you declare bankruptcy, is like saying "fuck, I'm in way over my head here, I can't even afford to pay my debts. Gov't, please help me get of of my debts".
When Trump gets in way over his head with the US, who is going to bail him out?
Hate the Trump and love the Hillary. Be my guest. But many of you are ill-educated financial morons growing dumber with each successive post. Someday the U.S. currency will cease to be the world standard, but probably not in any of our lifetimes. It was supposed to be the Yen, then the Euro, now the Yuon. And it ain't like Hillary has a fucking clue, either. No democrat has known fuck-all about money since Daniel Patrick Moynihan died. Google him, shit-for-brains. You might learn something.
--Dick Cheney
This thread is fascinating. First I learn that the US is bankrupt, and now I learn that in addition the US is insolvent. Way to teach up all the "financial morons" around here. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? -
I read the whole thread. Now
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* You'resalemcoog said:CirrhosisDawg said:salemcoog said:
You mean over 100% and headed higher with interest rates sure to increaase on it. Sure.... were not Greece but were not healthy eitherCirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard.
"The deficit projected by CBO would increase debt held
by the public to 76 percent of GDP by the end of 2016,
the agency estimates—about 2 percentage points higher
than it was last year and higher than it has been since the
years immediately following World War II."
--CBO, January 2016.
Current year estimates (Fiscal Year 2016 ending Spet. 30) stay true to the 75% estimate. See also OMB and the FED (KOMO TV 4 and all that). The US government does not have debt outstanding greater than its gross domestic product.
I'm talking about Government debt. It's around 103%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
So in other words.... you're full of shit. Your'e not counting intergovernmental debt such as liabilities to Social Security and such. It's still debt all the same.
Totally different things: the "hard" cost of publicly issued debt, versus debt that can be changed by policy. You have to pay bond holders or you default. Entitlement debt can be changed by policy (increasing the retirement age, means testing payments, etc.) Your bogus debt claims are not true until exchanged for a hard cost.
But who cares. Bury your tin can in the backyard, scream BANKRUPTCY!1!, INSOLVENCY!11.
In the end, your pocket will still be picked by people smarter than you.
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Way to go, kid. You'll be hitting without a batting tee before you know it.2001400ex said:
I bet money you've blasted Obama for excessive spending and bankrupting our country more than once.TurdBuffer said:
From the looks of it, more than half of the Hillary-loving/Trump-fearing bed-wetters don't even know that congress authorizes and controls federal spending. Seriously gonna take issue with my point? Trump's bankruptcies have as much to do with his potential presidency as Hillary's being a shitty wife has to do with hers. If these social media driven criteria are the key issues for some people, their lives are already fucked. That's all.CirrhosisDawg said:
"Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter."TurdBuffer said:
OK! This is going from the ridiculous to the sublime. The US has been in over it's head for decades, spending more than it takes in, i.e., insolvent, except for one thing: It can always print more money. If a business owner could do that, even the worst of the worst would never go bankrupt. Apples vs Oranges, dummies.OZONE said:
Losing a game in basketball, or picking a stock that underperforms the S&P500, are vastly different than running a business so poorly that it declares bankruptcy.Fenderbender123 said:
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching".
You can run a business poorly, but have a small profit and pay your obligations.
But running it so poorly that you declare bankruptcy, is like saying "fuck, I'm in way over my head here, I can't even afford to pay my debts. Gov't, please help me get of of my debts".
When Trump gets in way over his head with the US, who is going to bail him out?
Hate the Trump and love the Hillary. Be my guest. But many of you are ill-educated financial morons growing dumber with each successive post. Someday the U.S. currency will cease to be the world standard, but probably not in any of our lifetimes. It was supposed to be the Yen, then the Euro, now the Yuon. And it ain't like Hillary has a fucking clue, either. No democrat has known fuck-all about money since Daniel Patrick Moynihan died. Google him, shit-for-brains. You might learn something.
--Dick Cheney
This thread is fascinating. First I learn that the US is bankrupt, and now I learn that in addition the US is insolvent. Way to teach up all the "financial morons" around here. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? -
Right because entitlement costs will go down give me a fuckin. Break. The new world order hasn't found a social program that it won't bolster to swell like a tick. Sure retirement ages may increase and Medicare benefits may shrink for the individual. But the costs of those entitlements will continue to spiral out of control even with such measures. My numbers are reality. Your numbers are akin to sticking your head in the sand pretending the obligations don't exist.CirrhosisDawg said:
* You'resalemcoog said:CirrhosisDawg said:salemcoog said:
You mean over 100% and headed higher with interest rates sure to increaase on it. Sure.... were not Greece but were not healthy eitherCirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard.
"The deficit projected by CBO would increase debt held
by the public to 76 percent of GDP by the end of 2016,
the agency estimates—about 2 percentage points higher
than it was last year and higher than it has been since the
years immediately following World War II."
--CBO, January 2016.
Current year estimates (Fiscal Year 2016 ending Spet. 30) stay true to the 75% estimate. See also OMB and the FED (KOMO TV 4 and all that). The US government does not have debt outstanding greater than its gross domestic product.
I'm talking about Government debt. It's around 103%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
So in other words.... you're full of shit. Your'e not counting intergovernmental debt such as liabilities to Social Security and such. It's still debt all the same.
Totally different things: the "hard" cost of publicly issued debt, versus debt that can be changed by policy. You have to pay bond holders or you default. Entitlement debt can be changed by policy (increasing the retirement age, means testing payments, etc.) Your bogus debt claims are not true until exchanged for a hard cost.
But who cares. Bury your tin can in the backyard, scream BANKRUPTCY!1!, INSOLVENCY!11.
In the end, your pocket will still be picked by people smarter than you.
