So another upper class man thrown to the waste basket leaving all of two players older than soph.
I'm not saying Dorsey should stay, but this constant revolving door of role players is exactly why uw can't make ncaas.
Vets provide early perspective as well as a great push when the freshman wall hits. But Romar must not believe in any of that
When recruits don't pan out there's no reason to keep them on the roster while they waste a scholarship. Dorsey had 2 years and he didn't prove any real worth to the team, all he could do was shoot 3s (and at average level at best). At least the other mediocre freshman wing Green has some versatility to his offensive game and has a room to improve overall, while I could never fathom Dorsey's having a remotely high ceiling. If they don't really have any visible path to being legitimately good players by their senior year, then sell their couch and move on.
Greens actually an athlete who you can imagine being a solid defender and running the break one day. Dorsey is slow, unathletic and not in very good shape. Maybe he'd be something if he lost 30 pounds, but probably not.
I think a lot of people are losing the point in the Dorsey. I'm not advocating Dorsey. I never bought he was a uw level player from day 1. The only person who liked Dorsey was Aaron beach who I'm pretty sure had his dick in his mouth while typing.
My point is that Rosters need depth for a lot of reasons and uw has NEVER been successful with elite frosh as the primary players. How many on here constantly bitch about ncaa vs nba. The idea is to build a program and Romar has failed in so many areas including building a team which fosters certain skills. I hate the zags but they find ways to take shit players and get 10 good minutes. Dorsey may not be the hill to die on but it's just another example of how we(?) lose players as they can become role players.
a lot of people out here assume talent is all that matters and team/vets don't matter. I would argue differently. Uw has become the program many Romar apologists argued against. It's uk lite. Lots of frosh/soph without results, and tons of transfers for guys who don't work right away. It's a pathetic attempt by Romar to keep his job and have people stay engaged in recruits. Teams needs a combo of vets and frosh elite talent to sustain success. Dorsey is just another body in a long line of players who could have helped down the line more than shitty jc transfers brought in with last minute scholarships.
I agree with the larger point I just think we?re better off without Dorsey. Thybulle, Dickerson, Green, Crisp, Durrussea (sp?) have a shot at being those four year, veteran guys. Maybe Timmons too? Keeping and developing them will be crucial.
If one or more of these sophomores don't play significant minutes or develop a roll that they can buy into then I would expect a few of these guys departing before they become that experienced depth that we? would all like to see. The Porters and Nowells of the world don't come in to play school and with Romar they never will. Wash, Rinse, Fuck it.
Thybulle started last year and I would imagine Dickerson starts this year so those two should be fine for minutes/roll.
Fultz ? Thybulle Dickerson Dime/Timmons
That second ball handler or is the tough spot to project. I hope it's not Crisp but not sure who else it could be. Green? One of the other unheralded frosh?
I really have no idea who gets that spot.
It's weird that this will be one of the deepest front courts of any Romar team ever (assuming Atewe and Timmins are any good), but we? don't have a sure starting guard beyond Fultz.
I don't know anything about Carlos Johnson or Bitumba Baruti (dafuq?), but I doubt they're better than Green and Crisp. I assume Fultz will have the ball in his hands a LOT, so I think that other spot goes to the guard that plays defense and hits open shots. Which is exactly why Thybulle has the 3 spot on lockdown.
My guess is it will be Green. He showed the best shooting stroke and his length gives him an edge on defense. Crisp can be a energy 6th man a la Venoy Big Pimpin Overton.
In the half court, having Green start at the 2 is infinitely better. But I expect Romar to start Crisp because he likes to have at least 2 capable ball handlers on the floor to break presses and run fast breaks. Green and Thybulle just aren't good enough ballhandlers yet, unless they made significant strides in he offseason.
Fultz will probably play ridiculous minutes because he's gonna have to facilitate the entire offense. And let's hope the late addition guards don't suck, so that Crisp doesn't have to play big minutes too.
People care about the upcoming season that is already over?
What do you expect from the same guys that have stuck with the last 15 years of Husky football?
So another upper class man thrown to the waste basket leaving all of two players older than soph.
I'm not saying Dorsey should stay, but this constant revolving door of role players is exactly why uw can't make ncaas.
Vets provide early perspective as well as a great push when the freshman wall hits. But Romar must not believe in any of that
When recruits don't pan out there's no reason to keep them on the roster while they waste a scholarship. Dorsey had 2 years and he didn't prove any real worth to the team, all he could do was shoot 3s (and at average level at best). At least the other mediocre freshman wing Green has some versatility to his offensive game and has a room to improve overall, while I could never fathom Dorsey's having a remotely high ceiling. If they don't really have any visible path to being legitimately good players by their senior year, then sell their couch and move on.
Greens actually an athlete who you can imagine being a solid defender and running the break one day. Dorsey is slow, unathletic and not in very good shape. Maybe he'd be something if he lost 30 pounds, but probably not.
I think a lot of people are losing the point in the Dorsey. I'm not advocating Dorsey. I never bought he was a uw level player from day 1. The only person who liked Dorsey was Aaron beach who I'm pretty sure had his dick in his mouth while typing.
My point is that Rosters need depth for a lot of reasons and uw has NEVER been successful with elite frosh as the primary players. How many on here constantly bitch about ncaa vs nba. The idea is to build a program and Romar has failed in so many areas including building a team which fosters certain skills. I hate the zags but they find ways to take shit players and get 10 good minutes. Dorsey may not be the hill to die on but it's just another example of how we(?) lose players as they can become role players.
a lot of people out here assume talent is all that matters and team/vets don't matter. I would argue differently. Uw has become the program many Romar apologists argued against. It's uk lite. Lots of frosh/soph without results, and tons of transfers for guys who don't work right away. It's a pathetic attempt by Romar to keep his job and have people stay engaged in recruits. Teams needs a combo of vets and frosh elite talent to sustain success. Dorsey is just another body in a long line of players who could have helped down the line more than shitty jc transfers brought in with last minute scholarships.
I agree with the larger point I just think we?re better off without Dorsey. Thybulle, Dickerson, Green, Crisp, Durrussea (sp?) have a shot at being those four year, veteran guys. Maybe Timmons too? Keeping and developing them will be crucial.
If one or more of these sophomores don't play significant minutes or develop a roll that they can buy into then I would expect a few of these guys departing before they become that experienced depth that we? would all like to see. The Porters and Nowells of the world don't come in to play school and with Romar they never will. Wash, Rinse, Fuck it.
Thybulle started last year and I would imagine Dickerson starts this year so those two should be fine for minutes/roll.
Fultz ? Thybulle Dickerson Dime/Timmons
That second ball handler or is the tough spot to project. I hope it's not Crisp but not sure who else it could be. Green? One of the other unheralded frosh?
I really have no idea who gets that spot.
It's weird that this will be one of the deepest front courts of any Romar team ever (assuming Atewe and Timmins are any good), but we? don't have a sure starting guard beyond Fultz.
I don't know anything about Carlos Johnson or Bitumba Baruti (dafuq?), but I doubt they're better than Green and Crisp. I assume Fultz will have the ball in his hands a LOT, so I think that other spot goes to the guard that plays defense and hits open shots. Which is exactly why Thybulle has the 3 spot on lockdown.
My guess is it will be Green. He showed the best shooting stroke and his length gives him an edge on defense. Crisp can be a energy 6th man a la Venoy Big Pimpin Overton.
In the half court, having Green start at the 2 is infinitely better. But I expect Romar to start Crisp because he likes to have at least 2 capable ball handlers on the floor to break presses and run fast breaks. Green and Thybulle just aren't good enough ballhandlers yet, unless they made significant strides in he offseason.
Fultz will probably play ridiculous minutes because he's gonna have to facilitate the entire offense. And let's hope the late addition guards don't suck, so that Crisp doesn't have to play big minutes too.
If Romars history of late signees continues then both will be gone in the next two years. Why he has to take these flyers on the dregs of the talent pool I don't know. If he would just open the coffee cup for some graduate transfers maybe our continuos senior problem may be solved. See Ducks, Oregon.
So another upper class man thrown to the waste basket leaving all of two players older than soph.
I'm not saying Dorsey should stay, but this constant revolving door of role players is exactly why uw can't make ncaas.
Vets provide early perspective as well as a great push when the freshman wall hits. But Romar must not believe in any of that
When recruits don't pan out there's no reason to keep them on the roster while they waste a scholarship. Dorsey had 2 years and he didn't prove any real worth to the team, all he could do was shoot 3s (and at average level at best). At least the other mediocre freshman wing Green has some versatility to his offensive game and has a room to improve overall, while I could never fathom Dorsey's having a remotely high ceiling. If they don't really have any visible path to being legitimately good players by their senior year, then sell their couch and move on.
Greens actually an athlete who you can imagine being a solid defender and running the break one day. Dorsey is slow, unathletic and not in very good shape. Maybe he'd be something if he lost 30 pounds, but probably not.
I think a lot of people are losing the point in the Dorsey. I'm not advocating Dorsey. I never bought he was a uw level player from day 1. The only person who liked Dorsey was Aaron beach who I'm pretty sure had his dick in his mouth while typing.
My point is that Rosters need depth for a lot of reasons and uw has NEVER been successful with elite frosh as the primary players. How many on here constantly bitch about ncaa vs nba. The idea is to build a program and Romar has failed in so many areas including building a team which fosters certain skills. I hate the zags but they find ways to take shit players and get 10 good minutes. Dorsey may not be the hill to die on but it's just another example of how we(?) lose players as they can become role players.
a lot of people out here assume talent is all that matters and team/vets don't matter. I would argue differently. Uw has become the program many Romar apologists argued against. It's uk lite. Lots of frosh/soph without results, and tons of transfers for guys who don't work right away. It's a pathetic attempt by Romar to keep his job and have people stay engaged in recruits. Teams needs a combo of vets and frosh elite talent to sustain success. Dorsey is just another body in a long line of players who could have helped down the line more than shitty jc transfers brought in with last minute scholarships.
Don't completely disagree, but depth is pretty overrated. There have been many champions that play 6 or 7 guys. One back up guard and a back up big is pretty standard.
Green has a little more potential than Dorsey, but I'm pretty sure he sucks too.
Disagree, I thought Green was pleasantly surprising last year. He's probably never gonna be all conference, but I think he'll be a solid starter by his junior/senior year. Dorsey was never going to be that.
Green has a little more potential than Dorsey, but I'm pretty sure he sucks too.
Disagree, I thought Green was pleasantly surprising last year. He's probably never gonna be all conference, but I think he'll be a solid starter by his junior/senior year. Dorsey was never going to be that.
Stop it. Green had a good game or two, but he was terrible. He averaged two points on a bad team. That little production wouldn't be a huge cause for concern at a good school, but At UW it is. Phil Nelson was a better player as a freshman.
I doubt he will make it to his senior year. Thybulle is way ahead of him. The Porter's will be immediately ahead of him. College teams commonly play two PG's. Where is he getting minutes? I would bet $20 Sven bucks that Green will be gone before his junior year.
Green has a little more potential than Dorsey, but I'm pretty sure he sucks too.
Disagree, I thought Green was pleasantly surprising last year. He's probably never gonna be all conference, but I think he'll be a solid starter by his junior/senior year. Dorsey was never going to be that.
Stop it. Green had a good game or two, but he was terrible. He averaged two points on a bad team. That little production wouldn't be a huge cause for concern at a good school, but At UW it is. Phil Nelson was a better player as a freshman.
I doubt he will make it to his senior year. Thybulle is way ahead of him. The Porter's will be immediately ahead of him. College teams commonly play two PG's. Where is he getting minutes? I would bet $20 Sven bucks that Green will be gone before his junior year.
Who is the last Romar player that completely sucked as a freshman and turned out to be good? Green sucked. 2 points, 1 rebound, .2 assists on a team where it shouldn't be tough to get minutes.
Even maligned guys like Dentmon, Gaddy, Andrews were better than Green as a freshman. He sucks until proven otherwise.
Justin Holliday is the only guy I can think of and Romar raved about his athleticism and defensive ability from day one.
Green has a little more potential than Dorsey, but I'm pretty sure he sucks too.
Disagree, I thought Green was pleasantly surprising last year. He's probably never gonna be all conference, but I think he'll be a solid starter by his junior/senior year. Dorsey was never going to be that.
Stop it. Green had a good game or two, but he was terrible. He averaged two points on a bad team. That little production wouldn't be a huge cause for concern at a good school, but At UW it is. Phil Nelson was a better player as a freshman.
I doubt he will make it to his senior year. Thybulle is way ahead of him. The Porter's will be immediately ahead of him. College teams commonly play two PG's. Where is he getting minutes? I would bet $20 Sven bucks that Green will be gone before his junior year.
Disagree. Green didn't play for most of the season, but stepped up and showed improvement when given a chance. Unlike Dorsey he actually has some bounce and quickness, played defense, AND was a better shooter.
The Porters are both bigs, Green is a guard. Fultz will be gone before they arrive. Not to mention the younger Porter will be a frosh when Green is a senior, and isn't as good as his big brother. Green isn't some star, but he's exactly the type of guy that could be a real contributor as an upperclassman that we? have lacked lately.
Who is the last Romar player that completely sucked as a freshman and turned out to be good? Green sucked. 2 points, 1 rebound, .2 assists on a team where it shouldn't be tough to get minutes.
Even maligned guys like Dentmon, Gaddy, Andrews were better than Green as a freshman. He sucks until proven otherwise.
Justin Holliday is the only guy I can think of and Romar raved about his athleticism and defensive ability from day one.
Holiday is the guy I've always thought Green was reminiscent of. Obviously I don't expect him to develop like JH did, but he's the best comp I can think of.
Aa to your other question, Gant maybe? I don't remember him being anything as a frosh, not that he was ever great.
And I'll readily admit my hope for Green is all eye test based. His numbers are terrible. But I think he's a good athlete with a decent stroke who has the makings of a good defender. Definite developmental project but I think he can get there.
So another upper class man thrown to the waste basket leaving all of two players older than soph.
I'm not saying Dorsey should stay, but this constant revolving door of role players is exactly why uw can't make ncaas.
Vets provide early perspective as well as a great push when the freshman wall hits. But Romar must not believe in any of that
This.
Dorsey may have been a recruiting mistake; I don't follow TBS enough to know. I do know this: Romar's good teams had upperclassmen and strong veteran leadership. And some of those senior leaders -- Roy and Pondexter and Dentmon come to mind -- were totally different players as seniors than they were as frosh and sophs.
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I get your point, but Dorsey was worthless.
I doubt he will make it to his senior year. Thybulle is way ahead of him. The Porter's will be immediately ahead of him. College teams commonly play two PG's. Where is he getting minutes? I would bet $20 Sven bucks that Green will be gone before his junior year.
Even maligned guys like Dentmon, Gaddy, Andrews were better than Green as a freshman. He sucks until proven otherwise.
Justin Holliday is the only guy I can think of and Romar raved about his athleticism and defensive ability from day one.
The Porters are both bigs, Green is a guard. Fultz will be gone before they arrive. Not to mention the younger Porter will be a frosh when Green is a senior, and isn't as good as his big brother. Green isn't some star, but he's exactly the type of guy that could be a real contributor as an upperclassman that we? have lacked lately.
Aa to your other question, Gant maybe? I don't remember him being anything as a frosh, not that he was ever great.
If he doesn't drastically improve his shot, he's done. A guy that is hyped as a knock down shooter shot 27% from 3 as a freshman.
He's not a point and Thybulle has one starting spot likely locked up for the next three years.
There are a lot of variables, but I'll stick with him transferring out in the next year or two rather than him becoming a solid starter.
I'll doog out to an extent about Dickerson and Thubulle, but not Green. I saw nothing to make me think he will be actually good.
Will be a huge get for an up and coming Fresno St program
Dorsey may have been a recruiting mistake; I don't follow TBS enough to know. I do know this: Romar's good teams had upperclassmen and strong veteran leadership. And some of those senior leaders -- Roy and Pondexter and Dentmon come to mind -- were totally different players as seniors than they were as frosh and sophs.
I'm not wrong.
HTH