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Steph first ever unanimous MVP
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I agree that The first 6 will have to be consensual.
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No doubt this is true, but you can do this with so many things. What if Bird didn't have a bad back? What if Magic didn't get the AIDS? What if Len Bias never met CollegeDoog?greenblood said:
I hate this "If only crap", but I have to say it. Had Jordan not changed sports, there's a good chance he could have had 8 rings in a row.dnc said:
That's still too short of a peak to be GOAT imo, and I'm a huge Steph fan. It would be the greatest four year run anybody ever had, but I still think the GOAT needs more excellence than that. Steph gets hurt a lot by his good but not great earlier career. Anyone else in the GOAT discussion dominated much earlier than Steph did. On one hand than demonstrated just how hard Currt has worked to get to this point. On the other it means he needs another four or five elite seasons to be in the discussion IMO.Doogles said:
You don't think IF Steph pulls a 4-peat doing this video game shit he won't be the GOAT?greenblood said:
Steph's a future high end hall of famer, Jordan should have his own building.Doogles said:Lol at the haters. Two more years of this and Curry = GOAT
I doubt he does it (this post season injury is a reminder how fragile he once was and most likely will be again as he ages), but pull the head out of the sand if you don't think his ceiling is still GOAT. LeBron's chance at GOAT status ended with his failures in South Beach. Curry is in LIPO mode.
He's changing the game more than Jordan. All Jordan did was give the refs the green light to stop calling travels and pushoffs on superstars.
And I have to respectfully disagree with APAG. Of course Curry didn't invent the three and GS didn't invent small ball, but Curry in particular has taken the three to places nobody ever imagined could be done well, both in terms of volume and in terms of distance. His impact on the league today might not be game changing but his impact on the kids following the game most certainly is. Does that make him more influential than MJ? Not yet by any means. Jordan's influence spanned a decade and a half in the league and carried out for another good fifteen years after he retired. If Steph has a career ending or even altering injury soon he won't finish close to that. If he gives another 5-7 years of elite play followed by three to five of very good play he'll have a shot. LIPO.
I get that he came back in 1995, but he came back late. He only played 17 games before the end of the regular season after taking more than a year and a half off. -
Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
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My Blues can take the Warriors.
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Yet Jordan still dropped 30+ per game.devildawg said:Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
Curry would be playing soccer if the old rules were still in effect.
#spindly
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This idea that the new players would get beat up if the old rules were in play is way overblown.PurpleThrobber said:
Yet Jordan still dropped 30+ per game.devildawg said:Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
Curry would be playing soccer if the old rules were still in effect.
#spindly
The new guys play softer because that's what the rules dictate. In a royal rumble to the death I'll take today's bigger, stronger, athletes over the guys of yesteryear.
Also Curry does 90% of his damage from outside, trying to mug him 35ft from the basket with all that space plays right into his hands. -
This made up debate about Curry sucks. He's really good.
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Of course he's god he's great but let's not pretend he'd be cherry picking from 30 feet all night after getting mugged,checked,and thrown to the floor anytime he got near the paint
Love to see him checked by Pippen and Jordan all night,couple rib shots and a nut slap by Rodman...I'm sure he'd adjust to that type of game but right now I think he wilts,breaks and ends up on the bench holding is Vajayjay
Players may be bigger stronger but we're not talking Jerry West shit here....anyone think Manning would put up all time numbers if the QB was fair game? No,fucking way...there is a reason they only passed when they had to...your QB was about to get concussed -
LEAVE STEPH ALONE!
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The difference between Wilt and the rest of the league in 1962 is staggering. Not so much with Curry. He is an amazing player, but he did not, by any stretch of the imagination, dominate the league to the extent that Wilt did. Different era, different game, but at the end of the day, claiming Curry had the best season in NBA history is beyond FS. After all, the true measure is how they fared vs. the rest of the league. And Wilt dominated like no one ever.NEsnake12 said:
Educate yourselfHuskyInAZ said:
Wilt says hi.dnc said:Appropriate for the greatest regular season of all time.
50 points, 26 rebounds/game.
No contest.
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People talking about the Jordan Rules applied to Curry makes me think that people may not fully understand the Jordan rules
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You can't have it both ways - with the new interpretation of the rules, Jordan would average 50ppg.Doogles said:
This idea that the new players would get beat up if the old rules were in play is way overblown.PurpleThrobber said:
Yet Jordan still dropped 30+ per game.devildawg said:Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
Curry would be playing soccer if the old rules were still in effect.
#spindly
The new guys play softer because that's what the rules dictate. In a royal rumble to the death I'll take today's bigger, stronger, athletes over the guys of yesteryear.
Also Curry does 90% of his damage from outside, trying to mug him 35ft from the basket with all that space plays right into his hands.
He got his 35 with Dumars, Stark, Mahorn, Laimbeer and Oakley beating the fuck out of him. Allowed to roam free, only *real* God knows how many points Jordan would have scored. -
False. A bucket is a bucket. Jordan wouldn't score 50 ppg because he wasn't getting punched in the nuts. He would score 35 with less groin pain.PurpleThrobber said:
You can't have it both ways - with the new interpretation of the rules, Jordan would average 50ppg.Doogles said:
This idea that the new players would get beat up if the old rules were in play is way overblown.PurpleThrobber said:
Yet Jordan still dropped 30+ per game.devildawg said:Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
Curry would be playing soccer if the old rules were still in effect.
#spindly
The new guys play softer because that's what the rules dictate. In a royal rumble to the death I'll take today's bigger, stronger, athletes over the guys of yesteryear.
Also Curry does 90% of his damage from outside, trying to mug him 35ft from the basket with all that space plays right into his hands.
He got his 35 with Dumars, Stark, Mahorn, Laimbeer and Oakley beating the fuck out of him. Allowed to roam free, only *real* God knows how many points Jordan would have scored.
Unless of course the Jordan Rules means adding minutes to a game. It comes down to efficient possessions. You're adding points that can't exist in time as we know it. -
Jordan averaged 30.1 ppg in his 35 games (regular season and playoff) against Detroit from 88-90. I'm too tired to run the numbers on any other years. The breakdown was 30.8 ppg in the 17 regular season games and 29.4 ppg in the 18 playoff games.PurpleThrobber said:
You can't have it both ways - with the new interpretation of the rules, Jordan would average 50ppg.Doogles said:
This idea that the new players would get beat up if the old rules were in play is way overblown.PurpleThrobber said:
Yet Jordan still dropped 30+ per game.devildawg said:Steph wouldn't last a series against the Pistons the way they beat the fuck out of MJ...different game different rules,Curry has never been defended like they used to play D
Curry would be playing soccer if the old rules were still in effect.
#spindly
The new guys play softer because that's what the rules dictate. In a royal rumble to the death I'll take today's bigger, stronger, athletes over the guys of yesteryear.
Also Curry does 90% of his damage from outside, trying to mug him 35ft from the basket with all that space plays right into his hands.
He got his 35 with Dumars, Stark, Mahorn, Laimbeer and Oakley beating the fuck out of him. Allowed to roam free, only *real* God knows how many points Jordan would have scored.
Very good numbers, but a good bit shy of 35 per game.
Steph wouldn't hold up to the beating nearly as well as Jordan did but he wouldn't take near the beating Jordan did either. Even back then you couldn't get away with clubbing somebody 30 feet from the basket. And Curry doesn't need near as many shots or touches to score 30 as Jordan did.
And that's of course before we factor in that no player in history was more coddled by the refs than Jordan was. Of course that probably didn't take full effect until 92 or 93 so the Bad Boys beatdowns may have still happened.
It's also funny to me that the Bad Boys are what the Jordan dick riders are clinging to, since getting his ass kicked by the Pistons three years running is probably the greatest argument against Jordan as GOAT. -
Before Pippen found his footing in the triangle under Jackson in the 90-91 season, it really was Jordan and a cast of characters. You could see that Pippen and Grant were going to be good players but they weren't super great. Bill Cartwright was probably the #2 option when you look at the 1989 era or thereabouts.
Jordan got his ass kicked back then because he didn't have a great jumper and he kept attacking the rim relentless and the Pistons were all too happy to send him on his ass repeatedly. -
Jordan's jumper would be a liability in today's league, and his isos would get preyed on by the more active defensive rotations and small ball lineups.
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Early Jordan would be a liability from a jumper perspective ... the inability to hand check him though would put him on the line about 20x per night ... nobody would have been able to stay in front of him.doogsinparadise said:Jordan's jumper would be a liability in today's league, and his isos would get preyed on by the more active defensive rotations and small ball lineups.
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So Jordan is Harden.Tequilla said:
Early Jordan would be a liability from a jumper perspective ... the inability to hand check him though would put him on the line about 20x per night ... nobody would have been able to stay in front of him.doogsinparadise said:Jordan's jumper would be a liability in today's league, and his isos would get preyed on by the more active defensive rotations and small ball lineups.
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Jordan is Harden if Harden could play above the rim and actually knew what the word defense meant ...Doogles said:
So Jordan is Harden.Tequilla said:
Early Jordan would be a liability from a jumper perspective ... the inability to hand check him though would put him on the line about 20x per night ... nobody would have been able to stay in front of him.doogsinparadise said:Jordan's jumper would be a liability in today's league, and his isos would get preyed on by the more active defensive rotations and small ball lineups.
Other than that, nice comparison bruh -
Tequilla getting whooshed like the sun rising in the east.
