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Hillary isn't getting indicted. Trump isn't getting the nomination. I'm hearing Ryan is the chosen one. And both parties need to blow the fuck up.greenblood said:
Trump isn't going to get the nomination. The establishment isn't going to try this hard and fail, as it would be a political embarrassment and nightmare for them. They would have to restructure their entire party.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, Trump's and Hillary's negatives are off the charts, with Trump's taking the cake.TurdBuffer said:Every loss to Sanders hurts HIllary. Those on the fence are seeing that she's rejected by a substantial portion of her own party. Those who hate her already are doubling-down on what they see as further weakness and vulnerability. And we haven't even seen the swiftboat ads yet.
Truth is, all Trump has to do is show Hillary's picture for 10 seconds without saying anything, and it's enough to turn voters against her. I know many dems who plan to vote for Hillary, but wouldn't want to be in the same room with her. And that's her biggest liability: Her personality. Yuck.
This year's election is a shitshow regardless.
Even if Trump gets barely over the 1237, the GOP can still swing non binding delegates away from Trump before the first vote so he'll still be under 1237.
Cruz and Kasich are done too. If the establishment takes down Trump, there is no reason to accept Cruz as a nominee, especially if they don't like him.
Kasich has lost every state but one, and nobody like a loser, so he's out.
Paul Ryan will win the nomination on either the third or 4th vote. He'll have not lost to Trump, so he isn't a loser, and he's the establishment darling. I personally will not vote for him, because his nomination would be a complete sham.
On the democrat side: Bernie was done before the first primary. The democrats like him as much as the GOP likes Cruz. Hillary wins the nomination unless she's indicted. If that happens, Joe Biden then becomes the democrat flag bearer come November.
If Hillary is indicted Biden is the next president. If Hillary isn't charged and runs in November, Ryan will destroy her, because Hillary is about as likable as a kick in the nuts.
Either way, it should be interesting... -
One of the few times I agree with you.2001400ex said:
Hillary isn't getting indicted. Trump isn't getting the nomination. I'm hearing Ryan is the chosen one. And both parties need to blow the fuck up.greenblood said:
Trump isn't going to get the nomination. The establishment isn't going to try this hard and fail, as it would be a political embarrassment and nightmare for them. They would have to restructure their entire party.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, Trump's and Hillary's negatives are off the charts, with Trump's taking the cake.TurdBuffer said:Every loss to Sanders hurts HIllary. Those on the fence are seeing that she's rejected by a substantial portion of her own party. Those who hate her already are doubling-down on what they see as further weakness and vulnerability. And we haven't even seen the swiftboat ads yet.
Truth is, all Trump has to do is show Hillary's picture for 10 seconds without saying anything, and it's enough to turn voters against her. I know many dems who plan to vote for Hillary, but wouldn't want to be in the same room with her. And that's her biggest liability: Her personality. Yuck.
This year's election is a shitshow regardless.
Even if Trump gets barely over the 1237, the GOP can still swing non binding delegates away from Trump before the first vote so he'll still be under 1237.
Cruz and Kasich are done too. If the establishment takes down Trump, there is no reason to accept Cruz as a nominee, especially if they don't like him.
Kasich has lost every state but one, and nobody like a loser, so he's out.
Paul Ryan will win the nomination on either the third or 4th vote. He'll have not lost to Trump, so he isn't a loser, and he's the establishment darling. I personally will not vote for him, because his nomination would be a complete sham.
On the democrat side: Bernie was done before the first primary. The democrats like him as much as the GOP likes Cruz. Hillary wins the nomination unless she's indicted. If that happens, Joe Biden then becomes the democrat flag bearer come November.
If Hillary is indicted Biden is the next president. If Hillary isn't charged and runs in November, Ryan will destroy her, because Hillary is about as likable as a kick in the nuts.
Either way, it should be interesting... -
You forgot the part about Trump running as an independent assuring a landslide victory for Hillary and a likely huge democratic swing in Congress due to the angry Trumpites refusing to vote republican.greenblood said:
Trump isn't going to get the nomination. The establishment isn't going to try this hard and fail, as it would be a political embarrassment and nightmare for them. They would have to restructure their entire party.2001400ex said:
Shitstain, Trump's and Hillary's negatives are off the charts, with Trump's taking the cake.TurdBuffer said:Every loss to Sanders hurts HIllary. Those on the fence are seeing that she's rejected by a substantial portion of her own party. Those who hate her already are doubling-down on what they see as further weakness and vulnerability. And we haven't even seen the swiftboat ads yet.
Truth is, all Trump has to do is show Hillary's picture for 10 seconds without saying anything, and it's enough to turn voters against her. I know many dems who plan to vote for Hillary, but wouldn't want to be in the same room with her. And that's her biggest liability: Her personality. Yuck.
This year's election is a shitshow regardless.
Even if Trump gets barely over the 1237, the GOP can still swing non binding delegates away from Trump before the first vote so he'll still be under 1237.
Cruz and Kasich are done too. If the establishment takes down Trump, there is no reason to accept Cruz as a nominee, especially if they don't like him.
Kasich has lost every state but one, and nobody like a loser, so he's out.
Paul Ryan will win the nomination on either the third or 4th vote. He'll have not lost to Trump, so he isn't a loser, and he's the establishment darling. I personally will not vote for him, because his nomination would be a complete sham.
On the democrat side: Bernie was done before the first primary. The democrats like him as much as the GOP likes Cruz. Hillary wins the nomination unless she's indicted. If that happens, Joe Biden then becomes the democrat flag bearer come November.
If Hillary is indicted Biden is the next president. If Hillary isn't charged and runs in November, Ryan will destroy her, because Hillary is about as likable as a kick in the nuts.
Either way, it should be interesting...
Slightly preceded, of course, by a rush by Mitch McConnell and company to APPROVE Garland for Supreme Court justice -
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
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If that happens, Bernie should just say fuck it and run as an Independent.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
After Trump gets screwed by the RNC, we can have a 4 horse race.
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I like this ideaThomasFremont said:
If that happens, Bernie should just say fuck it and run as an Independent.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
After Trump gets screwed by the RNC, we can have a 4 horse race.
Could be interesting. -
If we get a (D) Hillary vs (R) Ryan vs (I) Sanders vs (I) Trump race, how many people are going to be dumping money into a short term buy of Conagra (maker of Orville Redenbacher) stock?ThomasFremont said:
If that happens, Bernie should just say fuck it and run as an Independent.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
After Trump gets screwed by the RNC, we can have a 4 horse race.
Could be interesting. -
But how is the Presidential nomination process a corrupt shitshow?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
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I've been saying for months this is the best possible result for the future of the republic. Any three of them in the race is bad news because it destroys one party and sets one party up to dominate by default. All four of them in the race is fantastic because it destroys the two party system. I wouldn't even care who won the four way race, just having it would be the best possible thing for Mericah.ThomasFremont said:
If that happens, Bernie should just say fuck it and run as an Independent.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
After Trump gets screwed by the RNC, we can have a 4 horse race.
Could be interesting. -
In reality, I don't think it would be great politically. Great for TV. Keep in mind, you have to win a majority. Nobody in the field of 4 would win the majority, so I think it would go to the Senate. Which would more than likely pick Ryan. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how it's done when nobody gets a majority in the electoral college.dnc said:
I've been saying for months this is the best possible result for the future of the republic. Any three of them in the race is bad news because it destroys one party and sets one party up to dominate by default. All four of them in the race is fantastic because it destroys the two party system. I wouldn't even care who won the four way race, just having it would be the best possible thing for Mericah.ThomasFremont said:
If that happens, Bernie should just say fuck it and run as an Independent.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion that the super delegates will flip to whoever wins the normal delegate count. That has certainly happened in the past, but in those situations the democratic candidates were both firmly a part of the DNC. Sanders has all but rejected the democrats for his entire political career. On top of that, he's raised next to nothing for downstream democratic races (last I checked his number was at $10,000), while Hillary has raised over $30 million for those state and local democratic politicians. She has put in the time and effort to build alliances with the powers that be in her party, while Sanders has largely ignored them. That kind of strategy could very well bite him in the ass if it somehow comes down to the super delegates playing a role in determining the nominee.NEsnake12 said:
Super delegates will flip to whoever wins the most pledged votes. That said, it'll be insanely hard for Bernie to close the gap due to every dem primary being proportional.GreenRiverGatorz said:Sanders still needs to win the remaining delegates by a nearly 60% margin. And that doesn't even account for the super delegates. You can keep clinging to hope if you want, but get real, it's been over for a month now.
After Trump gets screwed by the RNC, we can have a 4 horse race.
Could be interesting.
