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Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why

pawz
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Finally! Great article on Trump's real appeal to voters and hint, it has nothing to do with race.

Also noted, is the that a non-US based news outlet did the honest research.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support














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  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,642
    The article suggests that Trump's appeal to "ordinary Americans" is because of his ideas on trade policy.





    That is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    Finally! Great article on Trump's real appeal to voters and hint, it has nothing to do with race.

    Also noted, is the that a non-US based news outlet did the honest research.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support














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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    Bullshit. Most of Trump's supporters are too stupid to know what free trade is.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,021
    Pretty dumb article because of the overlying assumptions on Trump and supporters his "discussion" is filtered through (i.e. they must all be dumb racists, and they are that way because Liberalism failed).

    Trump's appeal is the sum total of a lot of policies that have been taken to the extreme, from free trade to corollary of that in free importing of discounted labor, and the focus of spending vast amounts of money and policies to prop up banks and large corporations that don't impact the day-to-day lives of ordinary Americans.

    I also think people will be surprised if Trump wins the nomination as to how much African American support he could get if he can get his message out...opening the floodgates to immigrants for cheap labor has impacted them as bad or worse than anybody. Its why the median household income is down something like 10% and the median African American household income is down 15+%. Its amazing how supply and demand work like that...
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,842
    Back when Obama was elected a group of firebrand Republicans saw him as a meal ticket.

    They created a thing called the Tea Party. This would fire up the grassroots and make the GOP a power party with grassroots made up of roughnecks who felt colored folk were taking their jobs.

    Well ... they took advantage of those folk. Played them for fools, thought they would go away.

    Problem is they created a Frankenstein ... and the Frankenstein has found a voice in Donald Trump.

    Nobody cares what his policy on XYZ is ... just that he is going to go kick ass.

    I'm not sure he can beat Cruz one on one ... but we're about to find out.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    topdawgnc said:

    Back when Obama was elected a group of firebrand Republicans saw him as a meal ticket.

    They created a thing called the Tea Party. This would fire up the grassroots and make the GOP a power party with grassroots made up of roughnecks who felt colored folk were taking their jobs.

    Well ... they took advantage of those folk. Played them for fools, thought they would go away.

    Problem is they created a Frankenstein ... and the Frankenstein has found a voice in Donald Trump.

    Nobody cares what his policy on XYZ is ... just that he is going to go kick ass.

    I'm not sure he can beat Cruz one on one ... but we're about to find out.

    I don't agree with your assessment. The Tea Party is still here. They're still by and large Cruz supporters who want an extreme cutback on government and a renewed focus on socially restrictive policies.

    Trump's supporters are all over the spectrum politically, but for the most part are not disillusioned Tea Partiers. They're disillusioned everythings. They are the culmination of decades of a GOP (and to a lesser extent, the democrats) that hasn't come through for them; whether it be on issues of immigration, the domestic economy, or foreign policy. So they've now been drawn to the candidate who has boiled down all of that frustration into one single authoritarian message: "We will win, and I will get my way on every policy issue".

    Both camps have been let down by the GOP, but for very different reasons. Zakaria sums it up pretty well in this column:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-gops-dishonesty-led-to-the-rise-of-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz/2016/01/28/d0bfdf8c-c5fb-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    topdawgnc said:

    Back when Obama was elected a group of firebrand Republicans saw him as a meal ticket.

    They created a thing called the Tea Party. This would fire up the grassroots and make the GOP a power party with grassroots made up of roughnecks who felt colored folk were taking their jobs.

    Well ... they took advantage of those folk. Played them for fools, thought they would go away.

    Problem is they created a Frankenstein ... and the Frankenstein has found a voice in Donald Trump.

    Nobody cares what his policy on XYZ is ... just that he is going to go kick ass.

    I'm not sure he can beat Cruz one on one ... but we're about to find out.

    I don't agree with your assessment. The Tea Party is still here. They're still by and large Cruz supporters who want an extreme cutback on government and a renewed focus on socially restrictive policies.

    Trump's supporters are all over the spectrum politically, but for the most part are not disillusioned Tea Partiers. They're disillusioned everythings. They are the culmination of decades of a GOP (and to a lesser extent, the democrats) that hasn't come through for them; whether it be on issues of immigration, the domestic economy, or foreign policy. So they've now been drawn to the candidate who has boiled down all of that frustration into one single authoritarian message: "We will win, and I will get my way on every policy issue".

    Both camps have been let down by the GOP, but for very different reasons. Zakaria sums it up pretty well in this column:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-gops-dishonesty-led-to-the-rise-of-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz/2016/01/28/d0bfdf8c-c5fb-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
    Bingo.

    This is why Trump sucks in closed primary states but dominates when they're open. He has just as much support outside of the GOP as he does inside of it.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,573
    edited March 2016
    dnc said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Back when Obama was elected a group of firebrand Republicans saw him as a meal ticket.

    They created a thing called the Tea Party. This would fire up the grassroots and make the GOP a power party with grassroots made up of roughnecks who felt colored folk were taking their jobs.

    Well ... they took advantage of those folk. Played them for fools, thought they would go away.

    Problem is they created a Frankenstein ... and the Frankenstein has found a voice in Donald Trump.

    Nobody cares what his policy on XYZ is ... just that he is going to go kick ass.

    I'm not sure he can beat Cruz one on one ... but we're about to find out.

    I don't agree with your assessment. The Tea Party is still here. They're still by and large Cruz supporters who want an extreme cutback on government and a renewed focus on socially restrictive policies.

    Trump's supporters are all over the spectrum politically, but for the most part are not disillusioned Tea Partiers. They're disillusioned everythings. They are the culmination of decades of a GOP (and to a lesser extent, the democrats) that hasn't come through for them; whether it be on issues of immigration, the domestic economy, or foreign policy. So they've now been drawn to the candidate who has boiled down all of that frustration into one single authoritarian message: "We will win, and I will get my way on every policy issue".

    Both camps have been let down by the GOP, but for very different reasons. Zakaria sums it up pretty well in this column:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-gops-dishonesty-led-to-the-rise-of-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz/2016/01/28/d0bfdf8c-c5fb-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
    Bingo.

    This is why Trump sucks in closed primary states but dominates when they're open. He has just as much support outside of the GOP as he does inside of it.
    Which makes him a much bigger threat in a general election, than many people give him credit for.

    Trump has systematically created a third party, which consists roughly 40% of the GOP and 20% of ignored democrats.

    It's extremely difficult to battle Trump, because nobody has seen anybody with this kind of cross over pull in politics.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    dnc said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Back when Obama was elected a group of firebrand Republicans saw him as a meal ticket.

    They created a thing called the Tea Party. This would fire up the grassroots and make the GOP a power party with grassroots made up of roughnecks who felt colored folk were taking their jobs.

    Well ... they took advantage of those folk. Played them for fools, thought they would go away.

    Problem is they created a Frankenstein ... and the Frankenstein has found a voice in Donald Trump.

    Nobody cares what his policy on XYZ is ... just that he is going to go kick ass.

    I'm not sure he can beat Cruz one on one ... but we're about to find out.

    I don't agree with your assessment. The Tea Party is still here. They're still by and large Cruz supporters who want an extreme cutback on government and a renewed focus on socially restrictive policies.

    Trump's supporters are all over the spectrum politically, but for the most part are not disillusioned Tea Partiers. They're disillusioned everythings. They are the culmination of decades of a GOP (and to a lesser extent, the democrats) that hasn't come through for them; whether it be on issues of immigration, the domestic economy, or foreign policy. So they've now been drawn to the candidate who has boiled down all of that frustration into one single authoritarian message: "We will win, and I will get my way on every policy issue".

    Both camps have been let down by the GOP, but for very different reasons. Zakaria sums it up pretty well in this column:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-gops-dishonesty-led-to-the-rise-of-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz/2016/01/28/d0bfdf8c-c5fb-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
    Bingo.

    This is why Trump sucks in closed primary states but dominates when they're open. He has just as much support outside of the GOP as he does inside of it.
    Which makes him a much bigger threat in a general election, than many people give him credit for.
    It might. The hard thing to decipher is just how much of the GOP electorate stays home/votes third party if Trump is the nominee. I don't think anybody really knows. There's a real possibility that a very large chunk just sits it out or votes Romney/whoever.

    The best thing for Trump would be Sanders winning the nomination, because the GOP would have to vote for him then. If it's Hillary I think a lot of people stay home.