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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,576
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    I think honesty is easily confused with being a blowhard, which is what Trump and Bernie are.
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    SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,240
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    Wow. Just heard that no GOP has won both New Hampshire and South Carolina and lost the nomination

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    There's a first time for everything. This is a very fragmented primary and a majority of republicans view Trump unfavorably. Cruz or Rubio are more likely to win the GOP nomination and Hillary is a Super Tuesday away from knocking the self described socialist out of the race. It's going to be a very rich old corrupt establishment white woman running against a much younger first generation Cuban American in the general election.
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    topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
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    dhdawg said:

    dnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Wow. Just heard that no GOP has won both New Hampshire and South Carolina and lost the nomination

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    What an odd couple of states to even be in the same sentence.
    I think that's the poont, totally different states, so if they agree on a candidate, that candidate is strong.

    But Bush leaving is going to give Rubio a bump, and Kasich's inevitable dropout in the next couple weeks will give him another one.

    It ain't over yet.
    Everyone says so but I'm interested to see it. Maybe Kasich voters stay home. And Bush supporters, I mean they're obviously complete fucktards, who knows what they'll do.
    kasich supporters are mostly dems or independents, they either vote hillary or stay home and hope bloomberg throws his hat in
    I'm a Kasich supporter, and I am far from a democrat or an independent.

    If Kasich was not on the ballot I would have voted for Trump.

    Why?

    Those are the only two guys who get shit done.

    Both are fiscally conservative and socially liberal (American dream).

    I know ... big guy on campus ... but I meet with C Suite and their direct reports of large hospital IDN's on a pretty regular basis. When we discuss the Affordable Healthcare Act they all say the same thing ... either you do it or some variation ... or there will be dead bodies in the streets.

    What's Trump say ... there will be people dying in the streets.

    What's Kasich say ... you have to do it to help the poor.

    Make fun of Trump, but that was my bullshit barometer. He clearly is educated on the issues and not afraid to say what needs to be done.

    Kasich has a long history of getting shit done.
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,576
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    Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
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    godawgstgodawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,410
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    The Cruz/Rubio fight to be #2 and the anti-trump vote could prevent either one from beating Trump.

    Just applying the percentages from Trump as the second choice for Carson,Bush and Kasich voters would get him another 5% bump to 40% nationally. Don't think Cruz or Rubio can catch him. If its 34-21-16 right now and Trump get to 40% there is no way they can catch him. They will split and hurt it each other.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/who-gains-the-most-when-the-gop-field-shrinks

    Trump's issue is the voters won't elect him to be president in the general and republicans know it. That's why you see him "getting" 38% in the polls b4 the day of the vote, and then him getting 5% or more less on voting day. In essence there is a third of the people so pissed at the political system they will vote for any non-established candidate, but after that votes become very very hard for him to find.

    As I see it, either at the convention you will have a brokered deal where Cruz/Rubio will pool their delegates to defeat Trump, or imo the more likely scenario is the RNP will look at the current delegates and who is more electable between Cruz and Rubio after Super Tuesday I and throw all their support behind him, why encouraging the other candidate to take one for the team with the understanding in 4/8 years you will have all the support/resources you need.

    Can you imagine having to choose between Hilliary and Trump to be the next potus? Talk about having to hold you nose, close you eyes and make a shitty choice. It would be like watching the ducks and cougs in the Nat. Championship and having to root for one. Sadly if your a republican in this state, your vote won't make any difference as Wash/Oregon/Cal make us the communist left coast base for the dem's.
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    topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
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    godawgst said:

    The Cruz/Rubio fight to be #2 and the anti-trump vote could prevent either one from beating Trump.

    Just applying the percentages from Trump as the second choice for Carson,Bush and Kasich voters would get him another 5% bump to 40% nationally. Don't think Cruz or Rubio can catch him. If its 34-21-16 right now and Trump get to 40% there is no way they can catch him. They will split and hurt it each other.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/who-gains-the-most-when-the-gop-field-shrinks

    Trump's issue is the voters won't elect him to be president in the general and republicans know it. That's why you see him "getting" 38% in the polls b4 the day of the vote, and then him getting 5% or more less on voting day. In essence there is a third of the people so pissed at the political system they will vote for any non-established candidate, but after that votes become very very hard for him to find.

    As I see it, either at the convention you will have a brokered deal where Cruz/Rubio will pool their delegates to defeat Trump, or imo the more likely scenario is the RNP will look at the current delegates and who is more electable between Cruz and Rubio after Super Tuesday I and throw all their support behind him, why encouraging the other candidate to take one for the team with the understanding in 4/8 years you will have all the support/resources you need.

    Can you imagine having to choose between Hilliary and Trump to be the next potus? Talk about having to hold you nose, close you eyes and make a shitty choice. It would be like watching the ducks and cougs in the Nat. Championship and having to root for one. Sadly if your a republican in this state, your vote won't make any difference as Wash/Oregon/Cal make us the communist left coast base for the dem's.
    You shouldn't believe everything the media tells you to believe.

    The reality is if Bush, Rubio, or Cruz received 33% of the SC vote, after destroying the NH primary, and finishing a strong 2nd in Iowa they would declare this thing signed sealed and delivered for those candidates.

    Trump can win a general election. And there will be no brokered convention. If Trump reaches 1237 delegates he will go forward as the nominee. And if he gets fucked out of it he will run 3rd party and the GOP knows it.

    He may lose 5% of the vote but he still beats the closest competitor by 60,000 votes.

    He'll bare knuckle it against Hillary. She won't know how to respond to his accusations of email issues, and Wall Street connections. He will make it about her, and how a vote for him will make you feel good again. He's a populist and he is striking a cord with the Nixon and Reagan coalition.

    The dude has broke every rule in the book and still kicks everyone's ass.
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    topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
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    PurpleJ said:

    Trump is not a fiscal conservative.

    Prove it.

    Seems to me a guy who makes a billion dollars plus in his life is pretty fiscally conservative.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    topdawgnc said:

    dhdawg said:

    dnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Wow. Just heard that no GOP has won both New Hampshire and South Carolina and lost the nomination

    Trump2016

    What an odd couple of states to even be in the same sentence.
    I think that's the poont, totally different states, so if they agree on a candidate, that candidate is strong.

    But Bush leaving is going to give Rubio a bump, and Kasich's inevitable dropout in the next couple weeks will give him another one.

    It ain't over yet.
    Everyone says so but I'm interested to see it. Maybe Kasich voters stay home. And Bush supporters, I mean they're obviously complete fucktards, who knows what they'll do.
    kasich supporters are mostly dems or independents, they either vote hillary or stay home and hope bloomberg throws his hat in
    I'm a Kasich supporter, and I am far from a democrat or an independent.

    If Kasich was not on the ballot I would have voted for Trump.

    Why?

    Those are the only two guys who get shit done.

    Both are fiscally conservative and socially liberal (American dream).

    I know ... big guy on campus ... but I meet with C Suite and their direct reports of large hospital IDN's on a pretty regular basis. When we discuss the Affordable Healthcare Act they all say the same thing ... either you do it or some variation ... or there will be dead bodies in the streets.

    What's Trump say ... there will be people dying in the streets.

    What's Kasich say ... you have to do it to help the poor.

    Make fun of Trump, but that was my bullshit barometer. He clearly is educated on the issues and not afraid to say what needs to be done.

    Kasich has a long history of getting shit done.
    Trump doesn't have the temperament to be President. How do you think it'll go over with the world when he gets pissed and starts calling other worlds leaders names. It's actually quite comical how he shits on everyone then whines when they shit on him back. That won't fly as president.

    Kasich isn't bad, if I had to vote for one Republican, that's who it would be. But his problem is, he isn't engaging or passionate enough to stand out.

    Of course the Democrats are as big of a clusterfuck. Bernie is just awful to listen to. Hillary has the best resume (only one with actually foreign policy experience, and according to Republicans, she was the one who ran the white house in the 90s). But she's got a vagina and too many people dislike her. Given the Clinton machine, she can win, but will be the most polarizing president (well Trump will be more polarizing).
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,889
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    Why do a lot of people keep harping on Hillary's experience and resume? Sanders has been in Congress and a senator since the 80s right? She never even ran for office until 2002? 2004? It seems ridiculous to give her some massive edge.
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    OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
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    Why do a lot of people keep harping on Hillary's experience and resume? Sanders has been in Congress and a senator since the 80s right? She never even ran for office until 2002? 2004? It seems ridiculous to give her some massive edge.

    Agree to an extent. Even though Bernie has had much more time in elected office, Hillary has a lot of experience in the public service -- just not elected -- but instead as the first lady or her appointment.

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    dnc said:

    dhdawg said:

    The Cruz/Rubio fight to be #2 and the anti-trump vote could prevent either one from beating Trump.

    Just applying the percentages from Trump as the second choice for Carson,Bush and Kasich voters would get him another 5% bump to 40% nationally. Don't think Cruz or Rubio can catch him. If its 34-21-16 right now and Trump get to 40% there is no way they can catch him. They will split and hurt it each other.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/who-gains-the-most-when-the-gop-field-shrinks

    It's been thrown out there that Rubio should promise Cruz a SCOTUS seat in exchange for his dropout. may be the only way.
    I'd actually prefer trump to rubio, at least he's honest and not a total puppet
    Majorly disagree about Trump being honest. How many boycotts has Trump called for since he started running for president? Like he really GAF about what Starbuck's has on their red holiday cups. He's nothing close to honest.
    Majorly disagree about Trump being honest. He IS basically THE ANTICHRIST. WORST.HUMAN.EVER

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    d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
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    edited February 2016
    Can't wait for the Hillary v. Trump Debate...

    TRUMP: "Hillary, why aren't you already in jail?" Whitewater ??? Vince Foster ??? Benghazi ??? 1,800 Classified Emails ??? Taking bribes from foreign countries through the phony "Clinton Foundation" ??? Selling our uranium to the Russians ??? Renting out the Lincoln Bedroom to the Red Chinese ??? Stealing half the furniture in the White House ??? Taking $680,000 bribes from Goldman Sachs ???

    ... and I haven't started talking about Bubba's crimes yet. (Serial Rapist.)

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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    dhdawg said:

    dnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Wow. Just heard that no GOP has won both New Hampshire and South Carolina and lost the nomination

    Trump2016

    What an odd couple of states to even be in the same sentence.
    I think that's the poont, totally different states, so if they agree on a candidate, that candidate is strong.

    But Bush leaving is going to give Rubio a bump, and Kasich's inevitable dropout in the next couple weeks will give him another one.

    It ain't over yet.
    Everyone says so but I'm interested to see it. Maybe Kasich voters stay home. And Bush supporters, I mean they're obviously complete fucktards, who knows what they'll do.
    kasich supporters are mostly dems or independents, they either vote hillary or stay home and hope bloomberg throws his hat in
    I'm a Kasich supporter, and I am far from a democrat or an independent.

    If Kasich was not on the ballot I would have voted for Trump.

    Why?

    Those are the only two guys who get shit done.

    Both are fiscally conservative and socially liberal (American dream).

    I know ... big guy on campus ... but I meet with C Suite and their direct reports of large hospital IDN's on a pretty regular basis. When we discuss the Affordable Healthcare Act they all say the same thing ... either you do it or some variation ... or there will be dead bodies in the streets.

    What's Trump say ... there will be people dying in the streets.

    What's Kasich say ... you have to do it to help the poor.

    Make fun of Trump, but that was my bullshit barometer. He clearly is educated on the issues and not afraid to say what needs to be done.

    Kasich has a long history of getting shit done.
    Trump doesn't have the temperament to be President. How do you think it'll go over with the world when he gets pissed and starts calling other worlds leaders names. It's actually quite comical how he shits on everyone then whines when they shit on him back. That won't fly as president.

    Kasich isn't bad, if I had to vote for one Republican, that's who it would be. But his problem is, he isn't engaging or passionate enough to stand out.

    Of course the Democrats are as big of a clusterfuck. Bernie is just awful to listen to. Hillary has the best resume (only one with actually foreign policy experience, and according to Republicans, she was the one who ran the white house in the 90s). But she's got a vagina and too many people dislike her. Given the Clinton machine, she can win, but will be the most polarizing president (well Trump will be more polarizing).
    Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

    Nice analysis as always.

    Speaking of, read death's post. That's classic.
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    Hillary is going to take Nevada

    If the election comes down to Hillary against whomever wins the (R) nomination, I'm going to seriously consider moving to New Zealand. It's a lot like Denmark, but with better weather, and fewer 6' 8" woman walking around making me feel short.
    Outside of Trump, who is an absolute wildcard, how would any of the presidential candidates in the field, R or D, make a material impact on your life?
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,576
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    topdawgnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Trump is not a fiscal conservative.

    Prove it.

    Seems to me a guy who makes a billion dollars plus in his life is pretty fiscally conservative.
    Do a little research on his tax and spending plan for me one time. It's batshit nuts and the opposite of what a fiscal conservative would do. Trump is going to increase the deficit just like Bernie would. And it's pretty easy to make a billion when your daddy starts you off with a few hundred million of it. Trump is a fucking blowhard neo-conservative just like Bush, maybe even more so. Of course you love him. You and all the other dumbfucks that have taken over the Republican party.
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    BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
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    The economist ran a analysis this week that said if Donald took all of daddy's money and parked it day1 in the S&P500 he'd be worth 3x what he is actually worth today.
    PurpleJ said:

    topdawgnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Trump is not a fiscal conservative.

    Prove it.

    Seems to me a guy who makes a billion dollars plus in his life is pretty fiscally conservative.
    Do a little research on his tax and spending plan for me one time. It's batshit nuts and the opposite of what a fiscal conservative would do. Trump is going to increase the deficit just like Bernie would. And it's pretty easy to make a billion when your daddy starts you off with a few hundred million of it. Trump is a fucking blowhard neo-conservative just like Bush, maybe even more so. Of course you love him. You and all the other dumbfucks that have taken over the Republican party.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,941
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    topdawgnc said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Trump is not a fiscal conservative.

    Prove it.

    Seems to me a guy who makes a billion dollars plus in his life is pretty fiscally conservative.
    Definitely fiscally literate.
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