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Welfare recipients are heavy drug users

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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    edited February 2016
    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    It's pretty easy and inexpensive to beat drug screens when you know they are coming. Extremely easy.

    Maybe some actually got a job because they were afraid of getting cut off????


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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    It's pretty easy and inexpensive to beat drug screens when you know they are coming. Extremely easy.

    Maybe some actually got a job because they were afraid of getting cut off????


    You are going under the assumption the welfare folk are smart enough to fake a drug test.

    Do you think their new job requires a drug test?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,656 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    It's pretty easy and inexpensive to beat drug screens when you know they are coming. Extremely easy.

    Maybe some actually got a job because they were afraid of getting cut off????


    You are going under the assumption the welfare folk are smart enough to fake a drug test.

    Do you think their new job requires a drug test?
    So only stupid people are on welfare?

    Mods?

    Staff??? True??
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,164 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2016
    RaceBannon said:

    In doing a quick search it turns that courts are ruling drug testing of public assistance users unconstitutional. I guess because its public money.

    Bingo

    The right loves big government and government intrusion when it comes to useless shit that makes no difference, but sounds tough like this.

    I don't like habitual Welfare queens. I probably hate them as much as anyone on this bored. Trust me. @loadsock and @DerekJohnson can back me up.

    But this idea was stupid to being with
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    It's pretty easy and inexpensive to beat drug screens when you know they are coming. Extremely easy.

    Maybe some actually got a job because they were afraid of getting cut off????


    You are going under the assumption the welfare folk are smart enough to fake a drug test.

    Do you think their new job requires a drug test?
    So only stupid people are on welfare?

    Mods?

    Staff??? True??
    Reading for comprehension isn't your strong suit.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    RaceBannon said:

    In doing a quick search it turns that courts are ruling drug testing of public assistance users unconstitutional. I guess because its public money.

    Bingo

    The right loves big government and government intrusion when it comes to useless shit that makes no difference, but sounds tough like this.

    I don't like habitual Welfare queens. I probably hate them as much as anyone on this bored. Trust me. @loadsock and @DerekJohnson can back me up.

    But this idea was stupid to being with
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    It's pretty easy and inexpensive to beat drug screens when you know they are coming. Extremely easy.

    Maybe some actually got a job because they were afraid of getting cut off????


    Then why fucking bother? Companies do it because their dumb fucking insurance companies demand it, so they waste a bunch of money testing people that have no problems passing the test so they can say - there you go, our work force is drug-free.

    But when states do it, their taxpayers have to watch their money get pissed away on another stupid fucking program that solves no problem.

    This is just another paver on the road to hell.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,012
    edited February 2016
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    HoustonHusky said:



    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    Feel free to provide a source that can at least infer that the overall applications dropped because of the drug test, and not, you know, the recession ending.
    In 2011 in Florida over 1,500 people of the ~8,500 that applied for welfare stopped when the drug test came around.

    Statistics show that the % of people on govt assistance are ~40% more likely to be on drugs than the general population, so if less than 1% are "testing positive" its pretty much statistically impossible in being a representative sample of anything.

    It means either the state is either really shitty about testing (usually a written test asking people if they do drugs isn't the "best test"...) or the others got pushed off the system (doubt it happened here but isn't this the point...).

    The fact some are too dumb to grasp the statistical impossibility of this and are running with this as proof of anything other than more shitty govt is just sad.




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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,012
    2001400ex said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    It tested new applicants, who knew they had to be clean before joining the program, right?

    What about for all the others on the program with random screens? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?

    This. The Florida program only had a couple hundred fail, but they had a ton more that decided not to continue with the application and had overall applications drop significantly.

    But why bring reality into this...
    So everyone that didn't continue was a drug addict? Couldn't be because they had gotten a job?
    You would be dumb enough to think this.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,164 Standard Supporter
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    RaceBannon said:

    In doing a quick search it turns that courts are ruling drug testing of public assistance users unconstitutional. I guess because its public money.

    Bingo

    The right loves big government and government intrusion when it comes to useless shit that makes no difference, but sounds tough like this.

    I don't like habitual Welfare queens. I probably hate them as much as anyone on this bored. Trust me. @loadsock and @DerekJohnson can back me up.

    But this idea was stupid to being with
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