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Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
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Whoching, cooper, Magna, Beaver, and any other non playing upperclassmen who gets passed by freshmanAIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE -
Surprised if coop is here for spring ballNeGgaPlEaSe said:
Whoching, cooper, Magna, Beaver, and any other non playing upperclassmen who gets passed by freshmanAIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE -
why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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We just can't help ourselves.Vegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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YesVegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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acknowledging one's skin color does not make you a racist. Check the facts.Vegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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Serious response and speaking only about my own comment:Vegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
Listen to the adjectives and player comparisons that are used by recruiting analysts, reporters, and TV color commentators to describe white skill position players and black quarterbacks. Mocking the use of those stereotypes is something that happens around here a lot.
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You could also see some early entries: Budda, SMFJ, AZ, for example + some normal attrition. I don't think Pete will run people off.
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11 returning scholarship seniors: Lindquist, Cooper, Eldrenkamp, Wooching, Daniels, Brostek, Turpin, Mathis, King, Beaver, Van Winkle. Cooper will probably bow out before spring ball to get us to that 85 number going into next year.
2 likely NFL early entrants: Budda and SMFJ. Azeem is a fucking man but NFL teams don't draft ILB's high enough for any of them to leave early.
So that's 12 openings for the '17 class without early attrition. I think we can expect some of KJCS, Jomon Dotson, Brandon Lewis, Sean Constantine, etc. to all be on #CouchWatch. -
Don't hate more for this, but I think Dotson will be a 2016 contributor coming out of Spring. He's the "wait 'til Ivan gets a hold of him" script in practice. Came in at 150 lbs, will start the Fall at 180 with 4.4 speed. On record...hold me accountable.
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He very well might contribute, we saw good flashes of him in the bowl game. But only reason I think he might be on couch watch is because McGrew might pass him up on the depth chart as the pass catching speed back.AEB said:Don't hate more for this, but I think Dotson will be a 2016 contributor coming out of Spring. He's the "wait 'til Ivan gets a hold of him" script in practice. Came in at 150 lbs, will start the Fall at 180 with 4.4 speed. On record...hold me accountable.
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LOL that anyone would single out this particular thread on HH as racist.Vegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19. -
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size. -
That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific. It is pretty clear looking at his process from the outside that he highly values class and position balance. I am sure this results in a significant benefit in being able to plan 2-3 years ahead and manage a roster. Especially compared to the way Sark did it.AIRWOLF said:
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
If you go lower than 17 in a class you risk being super young 3 years down the line unless somehow the entire class manages to become contributors.
Stanford will be a team to watch for a downturn next year due to their 12 person 2013 recruiting class of which only 4 have become significant contributors and one of those is off to the NFL (Hooper.) Good luck replacing Hooper and 3/5 starting OL with freshmen and sophomores not to mention half the defense. -
Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.FremontTroll said:
That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.AIRWOLF said:
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
He knows this is not an ideal world.
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Yeah good point the math actually doesn't work out since not everyone redshirts.EwaDawg said:
Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.FremontTroll said:
That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.AIRWOLF said:
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
He knows this is not an ideal world.
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I don't disagree, but I heard Petersen's interview on 710 AM after signing day and he said he actually prefers 17-18 versus 21-22+.FremontTroll said:
Yeah good point the math actually doesn't work out since not everyone redshirts.EwaDawg said:
Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.FremontTroll said:
That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.AIRWOLF said:
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
He knows this is not an ideal world.
IMO 17 should be the absolute floor and we should aim for 20-21 in most years.
I don't recall his rationale, if he actually described it.
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He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.
I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything. -
Could be. I was only half listening. It just struck me that what I considered a bit on the small side for class size, he considered "ideal".CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.
I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything. -
Probably means he likes to develop his recruits and they contribute as upperclassman, what a novel conceptAIRWOLF said:
Could be. I was only half listening. It just struck me that what I considered a bit on the small side for class size, he considered "ideal".CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.
I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything.
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He is 50% white!IrishDawg22 said:Wedington is a superb athlete with great hips....for a white guy.
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Most black Americans are, at least according to HLA testingHUSKYFANATIC said:
He is 50% white!IrishDawg22 said:Wedington is a superb athlete with great hips....for a white guy.
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So then Wellington is 75% white.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Most black Americans are, at least according to HLA testingHUSKYFANATIC said:
He is 50% white!IrishDawg22 said:Wedington is a superb athlete with great hips....for a white guy.
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FTFYFremontTroll said:
So then Wellington isNeGgaPlEaSe said:
Most black Americans are, at least according to HLA testingHUSKYFANATIC said:
He is 50% white!IrishDawg22 said:Wedington is a superb athlete with great hips....for a white guy.
75%81% white. -
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According to Eklund, Weddington is visiting Cal this weekend. Somebody else said he was just offered by Stanford.
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It depends on whether recruits kids are reading the site or not.Vegasdawg said:why the racist comments? Do you believe it is necessary in order to discuss college recruiting?
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Except that there is always attrition. If you have 15 kids make it to year 4 or 5 out of a class, that's a good one.EwaDawg said:
Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.FremontTroll said:
That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.AIRWOLF said:
I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.FremontTroll said:
Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.AIRWOLF said:
Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.AEB said:The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.
I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:
3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.
I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
He knows this is not an ideal world.
