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Niners just hired Chippy
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Yeah, but were the Arizona schools SERIOUS???creepycoug said:
All on the basis of Kelly's first game as a HC on the road. Peterman and those BSU teams could NEVER have done in the Pac 12 what Kelly did on his run with Oregon.PurpleJ said:I am by no means a Chip Kelly leg humper (Hi Koop), but it is funny to see doogs try to prop up Peterman (who hasn't done a damn thing in a major conference) at the expense of a guy who owned said major conference while he was here.
Remember, too, that Kelly was winning at Oregon when Harbaugh was coaching at Furd with Luck under center and Pete was at SC. -
Show me where I wrote that, Cuog. It's hard to be DEAD WRONG about something I neither thought, nor wrote.creepycoug said:
I have no idea how he'll do. None of us do. (Hence, DON'T BET ON IT.) The guy can coach, that's for sure. His issues are with personnel, and in the NFL there are varying arrangements in terms of who makes those calls. I suspect Chip won't be in charge of personnel going forward, which with a guy like that is probably the best move. Make him coach and not manage the roster.TurdBuffer said:All true, @creepycoug, and that's why CK fanboys should hang onto their money and not bet it on CK right now. He's 27-21 in a weak division, moving to the strongest division in the NFL. All excuses aside, that's a tall fucking order for any coach.
The other thing is, he might have learned from the first gig. You never know. Kelly is a smart dude ... I'm sure he's also a stubborn dude. It all depends on which one of those wins out in his head.
But one thing you are DEAD WRONG about, and that is that Oregon is just as well off with the current staff as they were with Kelly. No fucking way.
I know it makes people warm and fuzzy to imagine shit that never occurred to nicely fill in the holes in their arguments, but you're playing the "when did you stop beating your wife" game. Straw man arguments aren't clever. They're bush league.
Besides that, does anyone understand what "Don't bet on it" means? Jesus H. Christ! Does that need interpretation? -
Quit beating around the bush. If you want to make the asinine claim that Chip is a better coach than Pete, then say it, so we can all gang up on you. Otherwise, you're just cherry picking games for the hell of it.PurpleJ said:
I never disputed the part about Pete beating Chip in the pros. My post was disputing the part about college. Learn to read.TurdBuffer said:
Meanwhile:PurpleJ said:
You sound worried. Chip beat Pete the only time they faced in college.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleJ said:PM to 12s:
Carroll was better than Kelly in college and is better than him in the pros.
Fuck the 12s, but the Hawks will be fine
"Dec. 7, 2014 -- PHILADELPHIA -- A dominant defensive performance against Chip Kelly's high-powered offense even had Earl Thomas showing off his dance moves.
Russell Wilson threw two touchdown passes, ran for another score and the Seattle Seahawks stifled Philadelphia in a 24-14 victory over the Eagles on Sunday."
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Pete is obviously better until Chip wins a natty/super bowl, but Chip's resume compared to when Pete was that age is very similar. Only time will tell if Chip can achieve what Pete did.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Quit beating around the bush. If you want to make the asinine claim that Chip is a better coach than Pete, then say it, so we can all gang up on you. Otherwise, you're just cherry picking games for the hell of it.PurpleJ said:
I never disputed the part about Pete beating Chip in the pros. My post was disputing the part about college. Learn to read.TurdBuffer said:
Meanwhile:PurpleJ said:
You sound worried. Chip beat Pete the only time they faced in college.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleJ said:PM to 12s:
Carroll was better than Kelly in college and is better than him in the pros.
Fuck the 12s, but the Hawks will be fine
"Dec. 7, 2014 -- PHILADELPHIA -- A dominant defensive performance against Chip Kelly's high-powered offense even had Earl Thomas showing off his dance moves.
Russell Wilson threw two touchdown passes, ran for another score and the Seattle Seahawks stifled Philadelphia in a 24-14 victory over the Eagles on Sunday."
But, of course, Kelly had nothing to do with that loss. -
Let's not overlook another important fact about CK's time at Oregon: Besides USC and Stanford, the Pac10 and Pac12 sucked shit during those years. Not on par with the Mountain West, but more like the MW conference during those years than any year since.
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The Pac has always sucked shit except for a couple teams.TurdBuffer said:Let's not overlook another important fact about CK's time at Oregon: Besides USC and Stanford, the Pac10 and Pac12 sucked shit during those years. Not on par with the Mountain West, but more like the MW conference during those years than any year since.
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Uh, nothing I've said here can be appropriately described as a straw man. I'm saying what I'm saying rather directly. Moreover, I beg to differ; strawman arguments can be quite clever.TurdBuffer said:
Show me where I wrote that, Cuog. It's hard to be DEAD WRONG about something I neither thought, nor wrote.creepycoug said:
I have no idea how he'll do. None of us do. (Hence, DON'T BET ON IT.) The guy can coach, that's for sure. His issues are with personnel, and in the NFL there are varying arrangements in terms of who makes those calls. I suspect Chip won't be in charge of personnel going forward, which with a guy like that is probably the best move. Make him coach and not manage the roster.TurdBuffer said:All true, @creepycoug, and that's why CK fanboys should hang onto their money and not bet it on CK right now. He's 27-21 in a weak division, moving to the strongest division in the NFL. All excuses aside, that's a tall fucking order for any coach.
The other thing is, he might have learned from the first gig. You never know. Kelly is a smart dude ... I'm sure he's also a stubborn dude. It all depends on which one of those wins out in his head.
But one thing you are DEAD WRONG about, and that is that Oregon is just as well off with the current staff as they were with Kelly. No fucking way.
I know it makes people warm and fuzzy to imagine shit that never occurred to nicely fill in the holes in their arguments, but you're playing the "when did you stop beating your wife" game. Straw man arguments aren't clever. They're bush league.
Besides that, does anyone understand what "Don't bet on it" means? Jesus H. Christ! Does that need interpretation?
Tell ya what. Why then don't you just tell everyone precisely what your point is as it relates to Chip? Then we can all stop being warm and fuzzy, whatever that means, and directly assess what you're yapping about whenever his name is mentioned. You clearly have an agenda on the topic of Chip, because you're arguing with half the board about it, and in doing so you seem to be saying more or less what I said you said.
If there is a misunderstanding, you're in the best position to fix it.
By the way, "don't bet on it" is a colloquial way to convey doubt. I express no doubt. I have no idea. No outcome would surprise me. You on the other hand are suggesting a bit more. Own it. -
I'm not sure the 49ers have as much talent as any of Chip's Oregon teams. If he wins with that roster, he's the fucking man.
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What the fuck are you talking about???TurdBuffer said:Let's not overlook another important fact about CK's time at Oregon: Besides USC and Stanford, the Pac10 and Pac12 sucked shit during those years. Not on par with the Mountain West, but more like the MW conference during those years than any year since.
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I'm not going to rehash it here, Cuog. Go read the Fire Pete, Hire Chip thread for that. I'll own it all along with what I've written here. Simply put: Many people here overrate him.
I won't own words you put in my mouth that I never wrote. I think I know what you're referring to, from another thread, but you have it very wrong. I did not write what you said I wrote and called me "DEAD WRONG" about. Go read it again if you want clarity.
All that said, I'm fine with the Santa Clara hire of CK, because I think the Seahawks will continue to pound on SF, even with CK there. He might make them more competitive, but Santa Clara isn't Eugene, and the NFL is not the NCAA. A lot can happen in the NFL, but there's nothing in CK's record to date that suggests he'll be more successful in Clara than Philly. If he were a stock, I'd rate him neutral. If you already like him, hold him. But don't buy him, because he's anything but "proven" in the NFL. And you may want to short him, because fanboys from his UofO days could be over-inflating his value, and you might as well profit at their expense.
