This is Bugging Me

RoadDawg55

Maybe the Gaskin needs 25+ carries is overblown, but it you honestly think this over analytical pass happy offense hasn't cost UW multiple games, DIAFF because you are a hopeless doog.

SonnyShackelford

Stop. Bugging. Me.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

There's something to conserving a small back, but that just means you bring in another back once in a while.

1st down - bubble screen to Gaydon Mickens for - 1 yds
2nd down and 11 - run it for 3 yards
3rd down and 8 - incomplete pass

3 and out

stupid play calling

No, it's not on fucking execution, and even if it was, that's still on coaches somewhat

We know what guys like Mickens are now.

So run the ball more.

dnc

RoadDawg55 said:

Maybe the Gaskin needs 25+ carries is overblown, but it you honestly think this over analytical pass happy offense hasn't cost UW multiple games, DIAFF because you are a hopeless doog.

No question.

The offense is the problem, schematically, play calling, (lack of) development, etc. Other than maybe OL development and non WR recruiting I don't see one thing to be optimistic about regarding the offensive coaching.

Fucking dreckfest.

PurpleJ

This offense is fucked so deeply from a scheme point it's unfixable this year unless we went super vanilla. It's like Pete handed Smith a bunch of crayons and told him to draw the coolest shit possible as long as it was in shotgun or wildcat. Meanwhile, smart coaches everywhere keep it simple and try to beat the other team's ass on the ground when they have a true frosh QB and young OL. Pete should be fired on the basis of sheer stupidity for being so stubborn with this "innovative" offense. Fuck.

RaceBannon

Yeah but the commentators think Smiff is creative and stuff.

PurpleJ

But how does Pete share similarities with Sark?

Passion

I think there is a problem related to offensive philosophy. Our coaches (babushka and Petersen) assume that 2nd and 6 is a passing down. They assume that a pass on 2nd and 6 is going to be more effective than running Gaskin, and will create a more achievable situation on 3rd down.

Because our WRs struggle to get separation, and because browning still "isn't there," this is a false assumption. As we know, it often leads to an incomplete pass, or a gain of 0 yards (bubble screen).

At the end of the year I would like to see a statistic showing the percentage of plays where positive yards were achieved on pass attempts versus run attempts.

RaceBannon

I judge an offense based on how many times they end up at 4th and 1 after a 3rd down pass. And UW is great at that as are most shitty offenses. It's because they "take what the defense gives them" and the defense gives them short of the line.

A running back is moving forward. Our receivers are moving sideways or backwards.

Throw in Petersen's lack of guts to go for it and we suck again.gif

TTJ

I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.

RoadDawg55

"Stubborn in the run game."

This quote, that Peterman has used multiple times, is as troubling as "House Money." It really, really bothers me and IMO should greatly concern the rest of you. We are treading into "the coaches know more than us" territory if it doesn't.

I share some optimism about the improvement, especially with Browning, but holy fuckall..

I can't see Peterman keeping it simple next year and giving it to Gaskin 25 times and letting D-Wash, McGrew, whoever the hell else get another 10-15 carries.

If we actually played like Utah or Stanford, teams that Peterman says he wants to be like, we would have a chance at 10+ wins next year.

TTJ

You guys can dismiss all of the above as more yearafternextwillbegreat rhetoric if you want. But folks who've been around more than a year or two will know that was never my message during prior coaching tenures. It's not Peterman's fault his predecessors sucked, nor that they left him a shit sandwich on offense.

RoadDawg55

TTJ said:

I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.

They also blew a lot of teams out at Boise State which leads to running the ball late.

They ran the ball for balance, but the offense at Boise State was Kellen Moore picking apart the defense.

RaceBannon

When Ty beat Boise the Broncs were great between the 20's but couldn't cash it in when reaching the red zone. A problem Air Raid has at WSU. A problem a lot of these shitty passing offenses have.

WSU kicked 5 field goals against Stanford. One or two TDs and WSU is looking for a Norte Division title

RaceBannon

TTJ said:

You guys can dismiss all of the above as more yearafternextwillbegreat rhetoric if you want. But folks who've been around more than a year or two will know that was never my message during prior coaching tenures. It's not Peterman's fault his predecessors sucked, nor that they left him a shit sandwich on offense.

Petersen presents better than Sark or Ty. But the results have yet to catch up to the aura

section_332

I think things would be better if Petersen acknowledged problems on offense. He's always pointed out specifics on defense like tackling and player positions on defense. But when he talks about the offense it's basically a "our plays work" answer.

TTJ

RoadDawg55 said:

TTJ said:

I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.

They also blew a lot of teams out at Boise State which leads to running the ball late.

They ran the ball for balance, but the offense at Boise State was Kellen Moore picking apart the defense.

I'm not just talking about the Kellen Moore years, during which BSU was balanced but still ran a lot. During the non-KM years, BSU ran a ton.

TTJ

section_332 said:

I think things would be better if Petersen acknowledged problems on offense. He's always pointed out specifics on defense like tackling and player positions on defense. But when he talks about the offense it's basically a "our plays work" answer.

Like "we need to be more stubborn in the running game?"

Tequilla

I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.

Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense.

RaceBannon

Tequilla said:

I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.

Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense.

So you'll circle back and drill down?

RoadDawg55

Tequilla said:

I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.

Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense.

The run/pass ratio is actually even worse than the stats show because 95% of Browning's carries are sacks and scrambles on called pass plays.