Obama Heads to Oregon, Residents React...
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it would seem obvious to everyone but the most dense among us that we would prefer that Obama do nothing until his ass is out of there -
I agree with you that something needs to be done. But granstanding isn't going to help push his bill through.2001400ex said:
You clearly prefer your leader to do nothing. Got it.sarktastic said:so, why not focus on the leader who is leading this fucked up grandstanding?
He also needs to get rid of the gun ristrictions. If you are sane law-abiding citizen, you should be able to own whatever gun you want. I am however, completely for very strict background checks, even if it causes an extra day or two delay. -
what 'needs to be done'
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I was speaking in generalities. In this situation he probably would have flew under the radar anyways. I think looking into history of mental health would have prevented some of these other people from getting the guns necessary to commit these horrible acts.sarktastic said:what 'needs to be done'
What would have prevented this?
Again, I'm for keeping guns away from lunatics, and more strict background checks should help. Criminals on the other hand not at all. Criminals are criminals, they'll get guns like criminals do, and it won't matter. The only way to prevent this is to give more strict sentences for gun crimes, which the proposal is doing.
If the government removes the gun restriction and the pork fund to pay for mental health awareness I'll be for it. But that's probably not going to happen.
Edit: And before you say it isn't a gun restriction...
Any law that restricts the type of gun I can purchase in the future is a gun restriction. -
Mental illness records are protected same as if you have full blown aids. Tough to commit folks these days, even tougher to broadcast that they are nuts.
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So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones. -
Then maybe they should fix that. People have to sign HIPPA forms when they apply for life insurance products, so it might be wise to have people sign a HIPPA form when applying to get a gun. Lawyers can argue that it isn't relevant, and all the lawmakers have to say is that medical records will help determine if someone is mentally stable enough to own a a gun.RaceBannon said:Mental illness records are protected same as if you have full blown aids. Tough to commit folks these days, even tougher to broadcast that they are nuts.
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They should but somehow it never comes up does it?greenblood said:
Then maybe they should fix that. People have to sign HIPPA forms when they apply for life insurance products, so it might be wise to have people sign a HIPPA form when applying to get a gun. Lawyers can argue that it isn't relevant, and all the lawmakers have to say is that medical records will help determine if someone is mentally stable enough to own a a gun.RaceBannon said:Mental illness records are protected same as if you have full blown aids. Tough to commit folks these days, even tougher to broadcast that they are nuts.
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It doesn't, which is why I'm skeptical of any gun law that's proposed. Which is why I'm absolutely against a law that takes rights away from citizens that are following the law and are mentally stable.RaceBannon said:
They should but somehow it never comes up does it?greenblood said:
Then maybe they should fix that. People have to sign HIPPA forms when they apply for life insurance products, so it might be wise to have people sign a HIPPA form when applying to get a gun. Lawyers can argue that it isn't relevant, and all the lawmakers have to say is that medical records will help determine if someone is mentally stable enough to own a a gun.RaceBannon said:Mental illness records are protected same as if you have full blown aids. Tough to commit folks these days, even tougher to broadcast that they are nuts.
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Obviously you can't fix it completely, but the government needs to set up a system that prevents people that shouldn't have guns to have guns. Again, it wouldn't have helped in this instance.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
However, I feel that the government would rather just stomp on the rights of everybody, then stomp on the rights of just the mentally unstable. This is why I'm skeptical that anything will pass.
I am completely against the grandstanding because his grand standing is for a possible bill that will take fundamental rights away from everyday citizens. And trying to use this platform to do it, is wrong to the upmost degree. -
There is only one way to accomplish this. Identify anyone deemed unworthy of gun ownership, and incarcerate for life or execute them.greenblood said:
Obviously you can't fix it completely, but the government needs to set up a system that prevents people that shouldn't have guns to have guns. Again, it wouldn't have helped in this instance.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
However, I feel that the government would rather just stomp on the rights of everybody, then stomp on the rights of just the mentally unstable. This is why I'm skeptical that anything will pass.
I am completely against the grandstanding because his grand standing is for a possible bill that will take fundamental rights away from everyday citizens. And trying to use this platform to do it, is wrong to the upmost degree. -
I don't know the answer, and there is no easy solution. But the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Thousands of people being gunned down every year doesn't seem like a desired outcome. -
It doesn't?ThomasFremont said:I don't know the answer, and there is no easy solution. But the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Thousands of people being gunned down every year doesn't seem like a desired outcome. -
Nope.RaceBannon said:
It doesn't?ThomasFremont said:I don't know the answer, and there is no easy solution. But the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Thousands of people being gunned down every year doesn't seem like a desired outcome. -
Stop and frisk stops homicides
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That's the point. Nothing we can do as a country will stop every scenario. But as a society, we implement laws to make us safer. Right now these shootings tend to be in the 5-10 people dead range. Imagine if we had fully automatic weapons (which were banned in the 30s or whenever). Then many of these would be 30-50 or more people.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
Same goes for better access to background checks. It won't prevent every death, but if it saves 2,000 a year, that's worth it. Same with limiting magazine size. Same with better tracking of mental health, social networking sites and forums. Maybe ask that combined we save 4,000 lives. And not one legal gun owner was denied one gun.
But you guys keep screaming him!!!". "Obama is trying to confiscate our guns, fuck him!!!". "We need to arm everyone!!!". Looks like it's working so far. -
Fuck off
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I'm not for punishing 99.9999% of gun owners because of the .0001%2001400ex said:
That's the point. Nothing we can do as a country will stop every scenario. But as a society, we implement laws to make us safer. Right now these shootings tend to be in the 5-10 people dead range. Imagine if we had fully automatic weapons (which were banned in the 30s or whenever). Then many of these would be 30-50 or more people.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
Same goes for better access to background checks. It won't prevent every death, but if it saves 2,000 a year, that's worth it. Same with limiting magazine size. Same with better tracking of mental health, social networking sites and forums. Maybe ask that combined we save 4,000 lives. And not one legal gun owner was denied one gun.
But you guys keep screaming him!!!". "Obama is trying to confiscate our guns, fuck him!!!". "We need to arm everyone!!!". Looks like it's working so far. -
Agreed. Explain how what I proposed punishes one gun owner.greenblood said:
I'm not for punishing 99.9999% of gun owners because of the .0001%2001400ex said:
That's the point. Nothing we can do as a country will stop every scenario. But as a society, we implement laws to make us safer. Right now these shootings tend to be in the 5-10 people dead range. Imagine if we had fully automatic weapons (which were banned in the 30s or whenever). Then many of these would be 30-50 or more people.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
Same goes for better access to background checks. It won't prevent every death, but if it saves 2,000 a year, that's worth it. Same with limiting magazine size. Same with better tracking of mental health, social networking sites and forums. Maybe ask that combined we save 4,000 lives. And not one legal gun owner was denied one gun.
But you guys keep screaming him!!!". "Obama is trying to confiscate our guns, fuck him!!!". "We need to arm everyone!!!". Looks like it's working so far. -
I don't have a problem with what you're proposing, I have an issue with you your "him" rant. Obama wants to restrict the types of guns people can buy. It's not the guns it's the people that have them. I like yours and Obama's idea on background checks. I'd take it a step further and make future applicants sign HIPPA forms. So then it opens up more detailed checks.2001400ex said:
Agreed. Explain how what I proposed punishes one gun owner.greenblood said:
I'm not for punishing 99.9999% of gun owners because of the .0001%2001400ex said:
That's the point. Nothing we can do as a country will stop every scenario. But as a society, we implement laws to make us safer. Right now these shootings tend to be in the 5-10 people dead range. Imagine if we had fully automatic weapons (which were banned in the 30s or whenever). Then many of these would be 30-50 or more people.sarktastic said:So... you got nuttin'?? Just a few feel good generalities? Not to pick on you, but, that's the point.
There is no specific legislation anyone can point to that would have prevented this. Obama's grandstanding simply calls attention to the fucked up shooter... while calling attention to the inherent danger that seemingly lurks in gun free zones.
Same goes for better access to background checks. It won't prevent every death, but if it saves 2,000 a year, that's worth it. Same with limiting magazine size. Same with better tracking of mental health, social networking sites and forums. Maybe ask that combined we save 4,000 lives. And not one legal gun owner was denied one gun.
But you guys keep screaming him!!!". "Obama is trying to confiscate our guns, fuck him!!!". "We need to arm everyone!!!". Looks like it's working so far.
I will not support any gun law that restricts what I can own and can't own any more than it already does. That is a hardline stance I have even if all other items are checked. -
1. Change
Convert all gun free zones to Secure Zones once at least three adults are confirmed to be active concealed weapons permit holders and trained in putting down mass threats.
