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Serious Q about VA and UO QB's

CokeGreaterThanPepsiCokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
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Obviously Vernon Adams is going to miss at least 3 practices, maybe more if grades take longer to get in or the Clearinghouse has issues or something.

I know Oregon has a shit ton of talent on offense, but is Lockie good enough if they have to start him? Can Adams really come in late and expect to lead them to a championship?

From the sounds of Helfrich going full Willingham at media day saying stuff like, "We talk about the guys that are here", they can't be too happy about how this situation has played out with Adams. And it even sounds like they might have started to downplay Adams a bit now.

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    FenwickFenwick Member Posts: 1,174
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    Lockie is serviceable because he knows the system intimately and the players know and trust him. Unfortunately, the coachs have never played him in games with the starters nor have they unleashed him in his cleanup role. I think they screwed up. Adams passed his test(s) and has been working with the recvrs for a couple months. I have no idea which QB will be the primary or if one will play and then the other will play. We have Michigan State the second week.
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    BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
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    The Solid Verbal Podcast guy on SBN, said he's heard Lockie sucks (in so many words). He's also an Oregon alum, so he's probably dialed in.

    Find it on the "podcast of champions" - fwiw they've had greats guests recently (Ted Miller, Thammel, Feldman, The SBN guy).
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    RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    IMO, Boobs is probably good enough to QB them to a victory over a VA-less EWU and Georgia State. The smart money is on a loss at East Lansing. Utah at least is at Autzen, but it will be tough. Then the schedule doesn't really heat up again until the middle to end of October. So the question becomes can VA get up to speed by then?

    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.
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    BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
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    RoadDawg55 said:

    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    IMO, Boobs is probably good enough to QB them to a victory over a VA-less EWU and Georgia State. The smart money is on a loss at East Lansing. Utah at least is at Autzen, but it will be tough. Then the schedule doesn't really heat up again until the middle to end of October. So the question becomes can VA get up to speed by then?

    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.
    Getting a QB "acclimated" to beat MSU on the road likely takes more than 3 weeks.
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    HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
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    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    If Lockie or any other QB on their roster was good, they wouldn't bother with Vernon's bullshit.

    Sophisticated analysis.

    I think I'll trust the coach who is 24-4 on this over a Hitler-mustached avatar.
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    HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
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    BallSacked said:

    The Solid Verbal Podcast guy on SBN, said he's heard Lockie sucks (in so many words). He's also an Oregon alum, so he's probably dialed in.

    Find it on the "podcast of champions" - fwiw they've had greats guests recently (Ted Miller, Thammel, Feldman, The SBN guy).

    Ted Miller and great in the same sentence? Seriously?
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    RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    BallSacked said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    IMO, Boobs is probably good enough to QB them to a victory over a VA-less EWU and Georgia State. The smart money is on a loss at East Lansing. Utah at least is at Autzen, but it will be tough. Then the schedule doesn't really heat up again until the middle to end of October. So the question becomes can VA get up to speed by then?

    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.
    Getting a QB "acclimated" to beat MSU on the road likely takes more than 3 weeks.
    It's a tough game no matter what. Adams missing a week of practice isn't going to make a difference.
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    If Lockie or any other QB on their roster was good, they wouldn't bother with Vernon's bullshit.

    Sophisticated analysis.

    I think I'll trust the coach who is 24-4 on this over a Hitler-mustached avatar.
    You're better than that. Dude is 0-0 without Mariota.
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    BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
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    RoadDawg55 said:

    BallSacked said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    IMO, Boobs is probably good enough to QB them to a victory over a VA-less EWU and Georgia State. The smart money is on a loss at East Lansing. Utah at least is at Autzen, but it will be tough. Then the schedule doesn't really heat up again until the middle to end of October. So the question becomes can VA get up to speed by then?

    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.
    Getting a QB "acclimated" to beat MSU on the road likely takes more than 3 weeks.
    It's a tough game no matter what. Adams missing a week of practice isn't going to make a difference.
    When he missed all of spring, summer PRPs, and half of fall camp I think it matters.
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    HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
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    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    If Lockie or any other QB on their roster was good, they wouldn't bother with Vernon's bullshit.

    Sophisticated analysis.

    I think I'll trust the coach who is 24-4 on this over a Hitler-mustached avatar.
    You're better than that. Dude is 0-0 without Mariota.
    Wooshed!
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    CokeGreaterThanPepsiCokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
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    Missing even the first three practices of fall camp is a big deal. Those are the heavy install days, it's not like he is just missing practice. He is missing: Film review with his position coach, film with his OC, film with the team, training/lifting, nutrition and maintenance of his cramps.

    Throw that on to missing spring ball, summer workouts, more film study, sitting in meetings, learning how to study film with his new coaches. It is a big deal.

    If he comes in a week late or even three days late he has missed a HUGE amount of work. Working with WR's on the side is fine, but it is no where near the same as what he could be doing if he was in school after or before spring ball.
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    IPukeOregonGrellowIPukeOregonGrellow Member Posts: 2,183
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    RoadDawg55 said:



    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.

    It's less that and more that the playoff committee will forgive an early loss to MSU under Lockie if the team makes amends by curb stomping USC, Stanford and the CCG opponent under VA in November. Is that what will happen? Right now, it's LIPO.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    RoadDawg55 said:



    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.

    It's less that and more that the playoff committee will forgive an early loss to MSU under Lockie if the team makes amends by curb stomping USC, Stanford and the CCG opponent under VA in November. Is that what will happen? Right now, it's LIPO.
    This is the Ohio script
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,525
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    If Oregon is to win the Pac-12, it will be because of their skill guys on O and front 7 on D.
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    Tequilla said:

    IPukeOregonGrellow said:

    RoadDawg55 said:



    This. They have time to get Adams acclimated before East Lansing. It sure helps having Royce Freeman and a bunch of good WR's too. All Lockie will have to do is hand the ball to Freeman/Tyner, throw a couple bubble screens, and hit play action passes with WR's running free.

    It's less that and more that the playoff committee will forgive an early loss to MSU under Lockie if the team makes amends by curb stomping USC, Stanford and the CCG opponent under VA in November. Is that what will happen? Right now, it's LIPO.
    This is the Ohio script
    Ohio State went 12-1 though. Oregon isn't doing that this year.
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    MuttzenMuttzen Member Posts: 1,015
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    Judging by how well he does on his academis, VA will have a hard time cramming the UO playbook in time for this season.
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