Top 5 underachieving programs of all time
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Agree 100%. I believe Mora has turned the culture around, especially in the AD. Getting more $, new facilities, stemmed the SC dominance significantly. Even if he never wins anything meaningful, he's built a platform that can possibly compete at an elite level for future coaches.
Northwestern should be on there. Elite Academis, big city, power5 Conf. They just don't care enough to be good. -
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Well, UCLA is easily the most underachieving... didn't need a list to see that.
If you go to UCLA, it's for the wrong reasons. Always has been, always will be. They've got good players, but they will never have sustained success.
If a kid chooses UCLA over USC, they are basically saying, they want to live in Westwood over Compton for non-football reasons. Proximity to Santa Monica looms large in the minds of soft kids.
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UCLA hasn't really been serious about football until recently. Until Mora, they didn't pay top dollar to attract coaches. They have some great selling points. Incredible campus, great weather, in an area loaded with talent. But they also have a stadium that is a 45 minute drive away from campus. Some of the shit about UCLA being where players go to get soft is bullshit, but I do wonder whether it would be easier to focus on being a great football player in a shit hole (SEC country) vs a very nice area of LA.
I remember hearing that their facilities were shitty and small, but I could be wrong @BallSacked? The fan base has been better, but most people are apathetic about UCLA football. They will also always be little brother to USC, although little brother is whooping USC ass, and I guess Oregon-UW proved that things can change.
I don't really get the ASU one. They aren't a bad program and could be good with a great coach, but so could a lot of schools. They have a lot of hot girls and umm? Umm? The whole state is a dreckfest. Great weather my ass. UCLA has great weather. An average of 100+ from June until September fucking sucks. "Yeah, but it's a dry heat." Fuck off. -
I agree with RoadDawg on ASU....they haven't underachieved. Why should the be good? Warm weather, parties, and girls do not make a championship program.
They've achieved exactly as much as they should. -
This list is the only time you'll a Pac12 football program at #1 and 2 in the top 5.
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There have been two programs that have been truly ascendent in my lifetime.
One (Miami) got it done because they were around a lot of black people and didn't find them scary. They started recruiting them and didn't give a fucking shit about anything (also had a great coach).
The other (Oregon) did it because they had a singularly minded investor who pushed to get to the top in the winner way. He bent rules, used tools, paid, cajoled, etc. to get them built up to a 'respectable' point.
UCLA will always fucking suck. So will ASU.
Ole Miss doesn't even make any fucking sense. They were never good, Mississippi produces a lot of talent (there's an irony there somewhere that the most racist, slave owning state benefits because they have lots of black people), but they just don't have the population or fan base. Once other people pay more (right now they are clearly highest bidder), they'll go back into shitsville. Freeze sucks.
It's hard to see a team on the horizon like Miami or Oregon which have become legit-ish powers. Still NOGAF about Miami football and Oregon is a Phil Knight stroke from losing it all in 6 years.
What are @Auburndawg's iron laws again? Population, tradition and something else?
They should've consulted him before they made this list, obviously! -
Our facilities are easily the worst now. And have at best been mediocre forever. SC was right there until very recently. UCLA is about to break ground on a 60M football only facility. And a 40M bball practice facility. Casey Wasserman is emerging as our Phil Knight, which along with TV money and Mora sticking it to SC has reinvigorated the fanbase and the donorbase more importantly.
Rosebowl, I think only sucks for students. If you're an alumni or a player it's probably a benefit or irrelevant. It's a great tailgate spot and a nice setting, plus one of the most historic stadiums in the U.S. Plus when they're good they'll draw more than anyone but SC out west.
The "UCLA is always soft thing" is just what fat people stuck in 1991 like DDY say to assuage their fears of UCLA becoming a real player. Mora has us at a top15 level after a decade of shit with possibly even more upside. Bob Fucking Toldeo was instant replay away from a NATTY birth in 1998 and won 20 in a row. It's easy to win here if the AD cares to win, but even easier to do so at SC. -
Voted down for not including Florida State. They had never finished in the AP pole before they hired Bowden in 76. Their ascendance >>>> Oregon's ascendance.Dennis_DeYoung said:There have been two programs that have been truly ascendent in my lifetime.
One (Miami) got it done because they were around a lot of black people and didn't find them scary. They started recruiting them and didn't give a fucking shit about anything (also had a great coach).
The other (Oregon) did it because they had a singularly minded investor who pushed to get to the top in the winner way. He bent rules, used tools, paid, cajoled, etc. to get them built up to a 'respectable' point.
UCLA will always fucking suck. So will ASU.
Ole Miss doesn't even make any fucking sense. They were never good, Mississippi produces a lot of talent (there's an irony there somewhere that the most racist, slave owning state benefits because they have lots of black people), but they just don't have the population or fan base. Once other people pay more (right now they are clearly highest bidder), they'll go back into shitsville. Freeze sucks.
It's hard to see a team on the horizon like Miami or Oregon which have become legit-ish powers. Still NOGAF about Miami football and Oregon is a Phil Knight stroke from losing it all in 6 years.
What are @Auburndawg's iron laws again? Population, tradition and something else?
They should've consulted him before they made this list, obviously!
Unless you're younger than I thought. Someone should do a pole and ask everyone how old they are. -
Yeah, you're right about FSU, but the thing is they were playing in bowels by the time I watched football. I was real early to love football, but they were in top bowls by '79 (I was born in the fall of '74) so, I didn't 'see' the ascendence.dnc said:
Voted down for not including Florida State. They had never finished in the AP pole before they hired Bowden in 76. Their ascendance >>>> Oregon's ascendance.Dennis_DeYoung said:There have been two programs that have been truly ascendent in my lifetime.
One (Miami) got it done because they were around a lot of black people and didn't find them scary. They started recruiting them and didn't give a fucking shit about anything (also had a great coach).
The other (Oregon) did it because they had a singularly minded investor who pushed to get to the top in the winner way. He bent rules, used tools, paid, cajoled, etc. to get them built up to a 'respectable' point.
UCLA will always fucking suck. So will ASU.
Ole Miss doesn't even make any fucking sense. They were never good, Mississippi produces a lot of talent (there's an irony there somewhere that the most racist, slave owning state benefits because they have lots of black people), but they just don't have the population or fan base. Once other people pay more (right now they are clearly highest bidder), they'll go back into shitsville. Freeze sucks.
It's hard to see a team on the horizon like Miami or Oregon which have become legit-ish powers. Still NOGAF about Miami football and Oregon is a Phil Knight stroke from losing it all in 6 years.
What are @Auburndawg's iron laws again? Population, tradition and something else?
They should've consulted him before they made this list, obviously!
Unless you're younger than I thought. Someone should do a pole and ask everyone how old they are.
But, yeah, they're legit.
They seem to be a case of 'great coach, lots of black kids who white peoplein the southfind scary, college town, people give a shit'.
Miami doesn't have those last two. As you no doubt know, comparing Tallahassee to Miami is like comparing Pullman to Paris.
