71 Percent of MSNBC Viewers Think Rachel Dolezal is Black...
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Here's a pretty good article about it.dnc said:
I actually agree with you. I think gender dysphoria is a real thing, though I imagine we have different thoughts on how to treat it. I also think this women is full of shit.allpurpleallgold said:God fucking dammit. This is so embarrassing. I hate the left as much as anyone when shit like this happens.
DNC said "if the same form holds" but that's the thing the same form shouldn't hold because it's not the same fucking thing. Caitlyn Jenner is going through something real. This bitch is just making shit up.
Caitlyn Jenner isn't ok because everything should be ok. We can't just accept everything. That's literally the slippery slope. We have to be discerning. And this racist cunt and anyone that supports her are clueless fucking clowns.
It does raise the question though, if we accept that one can have a different mental gender than physical gender, what precludes the possibility of someone having a different mental race than physical race? If someone says they *feel* like a women therefore we decide to treat them as a woman, why does someone *feeling* black or white or young or old or anything else preclude us from embracing them as such?
It's definitely a slippery slope, I'm just curious what type of standard do we set to keep trasnidentiies from popping up all over?
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/17/3670801/transracial-adoption-rachel-dolezal-caitlyn-jenner/
We shouldn't accept anything just because that's how someone "feels". That's a pretty good place to start the standard. A feeling isn't enough. You should be able to demonstrate how it is you feel that way and defend why you feel that way. Psychologists should be able to identify it. There should be some amount of science behind it, the majority of which should back up your claim.
Dolezal pulled this out of thin air. She can't demonstrate it, she can't defend it. She uses empty phrases like "identify with the black experience". And there's certainly no science to back up what she's saying. -
Good response, haven't had time to read the article but I'm interested. As I said before I think gender dystopia is a thing, I don't think racial dystopia is a thing. That said, where do you stand on handling gender dystopia with kids? Do you think a child should be allowed to use whichever bathroom at school he/she/insert gender neutral term here prefers based on their professed identity? Or do you think that's too early to conclude that the kid actually has gender dystopia/transgender and it is wiser to wait until it's fully identifiable?allpurpleallgold said:
Here's a pretty good article about it.dnc said:
I actually agree with you. I think gender dysphoria is a real thing, though I imagine we have different thoughts on how to treat it. I also think this women is full of shit.allpurpleallgold said:God fucking dammit. This is so embarrassing. I hate the left as much as anyone when shit like this happens.
DNC said "if the same form holds" but that's the thing the same form shouldn't hold because it's not the same fucking thing. Caitlyn Jenner is going through something real. This bitch is just making shit up.
Caitlyn Jenner isn't ok because everything should be ok. We can't just accept everything. That's literally the slippery slope. We have to be discerning. And this racist cunt and anyone that supports her are clueless fucking clowns.
It does raise the question though, if we accept that one can have a different mental gender than physical gender, what precludes the possibility of someone having a different mental race than physical race? If someone says they *feel* like a women therefore we decide to treat them as a woman, why does someone *feeling* black or white or young or old or anything else preclude us from embracing them as such?
It's definitely a slippery slope, I'm just curious what type of standard do we set to keep trasnidentiies from popping up all over?
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/17/3670801/transracial-adoption-rachel-dolezal-caitlyn-jenner/
We shouldn't accept anything just because that's how someone "feels". That's a pretty good place to start the standard. A feeling isn't enough. You should be able to demonstrate how it is you feel that way and defend why you feel that way. Psychologists should be able to identify it. There should be some amount of science behind it, the majority of which should back up your claim.
Dolezal pulled this out of thin air. She can't demonstrate it, she can't defend it. She uses empty phrases like "identify with the black experience". And there's certainly no science to back up what she's saying.
I'm not pretending to have these answers, I'm just genuinely curious to hear your (and others') opinions on this. -
I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much -
Yeah - we DO allow anorexics to starve themselves, and let schizophrenics loose. What fuckin' planet do you live on?RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much
And who the fuck needs your permission to surgically alter themselves?
Do you have to "accept it"? Of course not. But nobody needs your permission to do whatever the fuck they want if they aren't breaking laws.
Sounds to me you want to babysit people more than care about them. Mind your own fuckin' business Race.
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dflea said:
Yeah - we DO allow anorexics to starve themselves, and let schizophrenics loose. What fuckin' planet do you live on?RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much
And who the fuck needs your permission to surgically alter themselves?
Do you have to "accept it"? Of course not. But nobody needs your permission to do whatever the fuck they want if they aren't breaking laws.
Sounds to me you want to babysit people more than care about them. Mind your own fuckin' business Race.
Oh yeah - *affect
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Anecdotal evidence is all that matters to Libtards; it's even OK to make it up according to Hillary.RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much -
Fuck offdflea said:
Yeah - we DO allow anorexics to starve themselves, and let schizophrenics loose. What fuckin' planet do you live on?RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much
And who the fuck needs your permission to surgically alter themselves?
Do you have to "accept it"? Of course not. But nobody needs your permission to do whatever the fuck they want if they aren't breaking laws.
Sounds to me you want to babysit people more than care about them. Mind your own fuckin' business Race.
Oh yeah - *affect -
The only response that I would find acceptable - and the reason I'm writing you in for President in 2016.RaceBannon said:
Fuck offdflea said:
Yeah - we DO allow anorexics to starve themselves, and let schizophrenics loose. What fuckin' planet do you live on?RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much
And who the fuck needs your permission to surgically alter themselves?
Do you have to "accept it"? Of course not. But nobody needs your permission to do whatever the fuck they want if they aren't breaking laws.
Sounds to me you want to babysit people more than care about them. Mind your own fuckin' business Race.
Oh yeah - *affect
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Sounds like you care...RaceBannon said:I think we need to be sure we are using actual psychiatry on the whole gender thing and not allowing it to be political. Before we allow someone to mutilate themselves we should be sure. Does it effect me? No. But I care about people other than rich celebs who are struggling with these things.
We don't let an anorexic starve because they identify as fat when they are thin as a rail. We don't let schizophrenics loose, If the transgender thing is an illness it should be treated as such. If it is shown that surgery treats it and the person lives a good life after, then go for it.
Where is the data on post surgery? Probably on the internet but I don't care that much
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So is blackfacing acceptable again?
