"Happy Valley" documentary about Penn State

ToddTurnerLIVES

I just watched the first half on Netflix. Tons of great footage from before, during and after the events of Jerry Sandusky and how the Penn State community views the whole situation. What really struck me is how many Penn State fans stick up for Paterno and down-play his role in the incident. They honestly feel like victims and that the NCAA was unfair to them.

I know that Petersen isn't Joe Pa but they both tout the same sort of moral/ethical ideals as being what their programs were/are about. If tomorrow I was to find out that Petersen had known about any child abuse, let alone abuse that was enabled by the UW football program, and didn't say anything about it I would say send that piece of shit to prison(and kill him for all I care). I'm also not sure I could remain a UW fan knowing that the football coaching staff, athletic director, and president of the university were complicit in covering up the whole situation for over a decade, a decade in which the predator was allowed to use his connections with the team to lure in more victims.

I guess it kind of put into perspective how much we fucking love college football...... maybe too much.

SpoonieLuv

ToddTurnerLIVES said:

I just watched the first half on Netflix. Tons of great footage from before, during and after the events of Jerry Sandusky and how the Penn State community views the whole situation. What really struck me is how many Penn State fans stick up for Paterno and down-play his role in the incident. They honestly feel like victims and that the NCAA was unfair to them.

I know that Petersen isn't Joe Pa but they both tout the same sort of moral/ethical ideals as being what their programs were/are about. If tomorrow I was to find out that Petersen had known about any child abuse, let alone abuse that was enabled by the UW football program, and didn't say anything about it I would say send that piece of shit to prison(and kill him for all I care). I'm also not sure I could remain a UW fan knowing that the football coaching staff, athletic director, and president of the university were complicit in covering up the whole situation for over a decade, a decade in which the predator was allowed to use his connections with the team to lure in more victims.

I guessss it kind of put into perspective how much we fucking love college football...... maybe too much.

Are you actually Todd turner?

dnc

SpoonieLuv said:

ToddTurnerLIVES said:

I just watched the first half on Netflix. Tons of great footage from before, during and after the events of Jerry Sandusky and how the Penn State community views the whole situation. What really struck me is how many Penn State fans stick up for Paterno and down-play his role in the incident. They honestly feel like victims and that the NCAA was unfair to them.

I know that Petersen isn't Joe Pa but they both tout the same sort of moral/ethical ideals as being what their programs were/are about. If tomorrow I was to find out that Petersen had known about any child abuse, let alone abuse that was enabled by the UW football program, and didn't say anything about it I would say send that piece of shit to prison(and kill him for all I care). I'm also not sure I could remain a UW fan knowing that the football coaching staff, athletic director, and president of the university were complicit in covering up the whole situation for over a decade, a decade in which the predator was allowed to use his connections with the team to lure in more victims.

I guessss it kind of put into perspective how much we fucking love college football...... maybe too much.

Are you actually Todd turner?

Thanks for stating the obvious, spoonbag

dnc

ToddTurnerLIVES said:

I just watched the first half on Netflix. Tons of great footage from before, during and after the events of Jerry Sandusky and how the Penn State community views the whole situation. What really struck me is how many Penn State fans stick up for Paterno and down-play his role in the incident. They honestly feel like victims and that the NCAA was unfair to them.

I know that Petersen isn't Joe Pa but they both tout the same sort of moral/ethical ideals as being what their programs were/are about. If tomorrow I was to find out that Petersen had known about any child abuse, let alone abuse that was enabled by the UW football program, and didn't say anything about it I would say send that piece of shit to prison(and kill him for all I care). I'm also not sure I could remain a UW fan knowing that the football coaching staff, athletic director, and president of the university were complicit in covering up the whole situation for over a decade, a decade in which the predator was allowed to use his connections with the team to lure in more victims.

I guess it kind of put into perspective how much we fucking love college football...... maybe too much.

Peterson is a terrible comp because he hasn't done shit for UW. Saying you would turn on him in two seconds if he was involved in a Pedo State type scandal is like being against bullying. No shit man.

A much better comp would have been Don James, had he never been sanctioned and stayed at UW another 20 years, most of them highly successful, and then it came out that Lambo was more than just a wife beater. You're kidding yourself if you don't think a lot of UW fans would have rushed to defend DJ (ILTCHDJ), and that no matter how much you hate abuse you probably would have had some conflicted feelings at the very least.

Gladstone

The PSU cult has been well-documented. It's incredibly disturbing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences

AZDuck

Gladstone said:

The PSU cult has been well-documented. It's incredibly disturbing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences

This.

I'm normally not a big fan of the HAMMER! but I think that Pedo State should have had its foosball program nuked from space because of the institutional involvement that enabled Sandusky's abuses

RaceBannon

Fuck perspective

College football coaches that win big gain a cult of personality?

Even Ballbag didn't need to state that obvious bit of data

JaWarrenJaHooker

To be fair, weren't those kids asking for it?

PostGameOrangeSlices

At least we aren't Penn state

ToddTurnerLIVES

Peterson is a terrible comp because he hasn't done shit for UW. Saying you would turn on him in two seconds if he was involved in a Pedo State type scandal is like being against bullying. No shit man.

A much better comp would have been Don James, had he never been sanctioned and stayed at UW another 20 years, most of them highly successful, and then it came out that Lambo was more than just a wife beater. You're kidding yourself if you don't think a lot of UW fans would have rushed to defend DJ (ILTCHDJ), and that no matter how much you hate abuse you probably would have had some conflicted feelings at the very least.

Yeah, I know. I was too young to remember if Don James was revered morally or ethically or if people loved him simply because he won.

The whole Petersen comparison was because of the moral aspects of his program. How someone who claims to do it "the right way" and is then found out to be a piece of shit and is not immediately reviled is beyond me. Not only was he a pedo-enabler, he peddled bull shit his entire career.

RaceBannon

Winning is equated with character and morality in our culture. James was revered for winning and was ascribed moral character traits because of that winning. UW liked to brag how they won the right way, a fucktarded bit of bullshit that they ended up taking too seriously when it turns out we won like anyone else by buying players and coddling them through school to keep them eligible.

As we used to say on the old podcast, win enough games and you can run naked through the streets.

I don't recall James being overtly moral, but it was no secret that he was a good Christian man, as the saying goes. I don't think anyone knows if he had any demons or skeletons.

It's all part of the myth. If you buy into the myth it is hard to break free of it. Half brains were formed under the banner of all we care about is winning. Fuck all that other nonsense

AtomicPiss

RaceBannon said:

Winning is equated with character and morality in our culture. James was revered for winning and was ascribed moral character traits because of that winning. UW liked to brag how they won the right way, a fucktarded bit of bullshit that they ended up taking too seriously when it turns out we won like anyone else by buying players and coddling them through school to keep them eligible.

As we used to say on the old podcast, win enough games and you can run naked through the streets.

I don't recall James being overtly moral, but it was no secret that he was a good Christian man, as the saying goes. I don't think anyone knows if he had any demons or skeletons.

It's all part of the myth. If you buy into the myth it is hard to break free of it. Half brains were formed under the banner of all we care about is winning. Fuck all that other nonsense

you don't think the Seattle Times would have found them?

ApostleofGrief

my recollection of the events was that Paterno did report the incident to the president, who did nada.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

ApostleofGrief said:

my recollection of the events was that Paterno did report the incident to the president, who did nada.

That's correct. If the chain of events surprise people, they're naive to how the world works with all the cover ups and buck passing.

dnc

DerekJohnson said:

RaceBannon said:

Winning is equated with character and morality in our culture. James was revered for winning and was ascribed moral character traits because of that winning. UW liked to brag how they won the right way, a fucktarded bit of bullshit that they ended up taking too seriously when it turns out we won like anyone else by buying players and coddling them through school to keep them eligible.

As we used to say on the old podcast, win enough games and you can run naked through the streets.

I don't recall James being overtly moral, but it was no secret that he was a good Christian man, as the saying goes. I don't think anyone knows if he had any demons or skeletons.

It's all part of the myth. If you buy into the myth it is hard to break free of it. Half brains were formed under the banner of all we care about is winning. Fuck all that other nonsense

you don't think the Seattle Times would have found them around the year 2000?

NeGgaPlEaSe

AZDuck said:

Gladstone said:

The PSU cult has been well-documented. It's incredibly disturbing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences

This.

I'm normally not a big fan of the HAMMER! but I think that Pedo State should have had its foosball program nuked from space because of the institutional involvement that enabled Sandusky's abuses

Its easy for outsiders to say this, but that football program is all this community has, financially.

DugtheDoog

I mentioned this in a thread a while ago but pretty much the only redeeming part about living in central PA is you get to fuck with these clueless and moronic Ped St fans. My favorite is telling drunk people that Sandusky fell on the sword for Paterno and that joepa was actually the one doing the molesting. Literally, I could tell these people I just fucked their wives and they'd be less upset. It's a good thing there's no 7-11 on Aurora in the UDistrict here. Buncha fucktards. But I will say PA produces a lot of fucking talent. There's no reason, sanctions not withstanding, that they should ever suck. But I guess I could say the same about UW as well and look how badly our leadership has fucked things up.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

DugtheDoog said:

I mentioned this in a thread a while ago but pretty much the only redeeming part about living in central PA is you get to fuck with these clueless and moronic Ped St fans. My favorite is telling drunk people that Sandusky fell on the sword for Paterno and that joepa was actually the one doing the molesting. Literally, I could tell these people I just fucked their wives and they'd be less upset. It's a good thing there's no 7-11 on Aurora in the UDistrict here. Buncha fucktards. But I will say PA produces a lot of fucking talent. There's no reason, sanctions not withstanding, that they should ever suck. But I guess I could say the same about UW as well and look how badly our leadership has fucked things up.

Pics?

Dennis_DeYoung

I just want to watch some good college football. Is that too much to fucking ask?

Thanks for raping kids Sandusky you jerk. Not only did you literally rape kids (not a good look, G) you also made it so I have to think about kid rape whenever I watch Penn State. All I want is to watch college football and not think about kids being raped in the shower.

I guess it was an impossible dream.

Fuck people who covered it up, think PSU is a victim or think it doesn't go on everywhere.

Jesus. Fucking depressing.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

Dennis_DeYoung said:

I just want to watch some good college football. Is that too much to fucking ask?

Thanks for raping kids Sandusky you jerk. Not only did you literally rape kids (not a good look, G) you also made it so I have to think about kid rape whenever I watch Penn State. All I want is to watch college football and not think about kids being raped rough horse play in the shower.

I guess it was an impossible dream.

Fuck people who covered it up, think PSU is a victim or think it doesn't go on everywhere.

Jesus. Fucking depressing.

whlinder

DugtheDoog said:

I mentioned this in a thread a while ago but pretty much the only redeeming part about living in central PA is you get to fuck with these clueless and moronic Ped St fans. My favorite is telling drunk people that Sandusky fell on the sword for Paterno and that joepa was actually the one doing the molesting. Literally, I could tell these people I just fucked their wives and they'd be less upset. It's a good thing there's no 7-11 on Aurora in the UDistrict here. Buncha fucktards. But I will say PA produces a lot of fucking talent. There's no reason, sanctions not withstanding, that they should ever suck. But I guess I could say the same about UW as well and look how badly our leadership has fucked things up.

But why do most central Pennsylvanians love the Pope and think the Catholic Church doesn't have any responsibility for all those boys their Priests raped?

PA retards think JoePa was screwed and that Catholics didn't cover up institutional rape. It's like they're fucking stupid or something.