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  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,357 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Does the seat of your Honda get you all tingly like a horse does while trotting?

    Dodge, duck, dive, dip, and dodge. Is this where I throw my wrench?
    There's no good answer. That's why I gave up on the GOP and 95% of the 'Merican right several years ago. Everything is fake patriotism, fear mongering, and policies which benefit the millionaires and billionaires, like slash spending while giving them tax cuts.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,242
    All I know is Toppy can fuck right the hell off. Texas is a shithole - the whole fucking state is. I don't give a fuck if they stuff dollar bills in your ass every day, the fact that you have to live in that shitstain of a state to get it makes it not worth it.

    Make your money in Washington or California, deal with the fucking idiots in charge, and you're way better off than living in a bunghole of a state like Texas or Kansas.

    No wonder Houston and Topy line up to defend their fucked-up state. How else you you defend being so fucking stupid that you'd live in some shithole like that?



  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,242

    dflea said:

    All I know is Toppy can fuck right the hell off. Texas is a shithole - the whole fucking state is. I don't give a fuck if they stuff dollar bills in your ass every day, the fact that you have to live in that shitstain of a state to get it makes it not worth it.

    Make your money in Washington or California, deal with the fucking idiots in charge, and you're way better off than living in a bunghole of a state like Texas or Kansas.

    No wonder Houston and Topy line up to defend their fucked-up state. How else you you defend being so fucking stupid that you'd live in some shithole like that?



    Great open-minded liberal tolerance as always.
    I'm not a liberal, and I'm not tolerant, either.

  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,992

    Spending in Kansas between 2013 and 2014 INCREASED 8.2%.

    Even so, Kansas still enjoys a AA+ credit rating by S &P.

    Kansas spends 27% of its state budget on K-12 education. Only 5 states spend more on K-12 education as a percentage of total state expenditures.

    Kansas' Issuer Credit Rating (equivalent to General Obligation) was downgraded by S&P from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook on Aug. 6, 2014. The negative outlook from S&P was affirmed on march 25, 2015. This is what S&P wrote:


    "Offsetting credit factors for the ICR include what we consider:
    A sizable mid-fiscal 2015 budget gap that was covered with a mixture of ongoing and one-time budget adjustments. The mid-year budget corrections are projected by the state to avoid a negative balance, but would leave the state with close to a zero general fund balance at fiscal year-end 2015. We believe that income tax rate cuts have created legislative challenges in enacting a structurally balanced budget for fiscal 2016; The likelihood that general fund balances will remain low due to the governor's proposal to change funding of state general fund reserves; andSignificant unfunded pension liabilities and annual pension contributions that are below the actuarial annual required contribution (ARC), offset in part by Kansas' moderate tax-supported debt burden. The governor has proposed a $1.5 billion pension bond issue, which, if issued, may somewhat improve pension funded levels, but with the trade-off of higher debt."
    And a reminder...if a credit downgrade is an indictment of policy...

    S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

    Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

    image

    Time for someone around here to start gurgling...
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Spending in Kansas between 2013 and 2014 INCREASED 8.2%.

    Even so, Kansas still enjoys a AA+ credit rating by S &P.

    Kansas spends 27% of its state budget on K-12 education. Only 5 states spend more on K-12 education as a percentage of total state expenditures.

    Kansas' Issuer Credit Rating (equivalent to General Obligation) was downgraded by S&P from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook on Aug. 6, 2014. The negative outlook from S&P was affirmed on march 25, 2015. This is what S&P wrote:


    "Offsetting credit factors for the ICR include what we consider:
    A sizable mid-fiscal 2015 budget gap that was covered with a mixture of ongoing and one-time budget adjustments. The mid-year budget corrections are projected by the state to avoid a negative balance, but would leave the state with close to a zero general fund balance at fiscal year-end 2015. We believe that income tax rate cuts have created legislative challenges in enacting a structurally balanced budget for fiscal 2016; The likelihood that general fund balances will remain low due to the governor's proposal to change funding of state general fund reserves; andSignificant unfunded pension liabilities and annual pension contributions that are below the actuarial annual required contribution (ARC), offset in part by Kansas' moderate tax-supported debt burden. The governor has proposed a $1.5 billion pension bond issue, which, if issued, may somewhat improve pension funded levels, but with the trade-off of higher debt."
    And a reminder...if a credit downgrade is an indictment of policy...

    S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

    Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

    image

    Time for someone around here to start gurgling...
    Fuck you are ignorant. But great point, not in the way you intended. After years of tax cuts, reduced revenues and threatening to shut down the government, the credit of the US was downgraded.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Born in Texas, got the fuck out
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,698 Standard Supporter
    Kansas has problems because it is populated with Kansans.

  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Since there seems to be a preoccupation with bond ratings going on, let me offer the Hardcore Husky investment tip of the day: whenever the political punditry pronounces the financial demise of a US state or municipality, be sure to take a close look at the underlying credit fundamentals. In most cases, but not all, there will be a huge overreaction and sell off, that does not gibe at all with the reality of the situation. For example, many pundits of a certain political stripe have proclaimed the death of California because it fits a convenient political narrative. Same thing could be going on from the other end of the spectrum regarding Kansas. But if you bought State of California GOs in 2009, you would be looking at a total return that would make @thechatch jealous. Now there are many problems with the California economic model that has resulted in the policy objective of killing the middle class in order to save it, but if people continue to dismiss the credit, I will be happy to profit at your expense.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,992
    2001400ex said:

    Spending in Kansas between 2013 and 2014 INCREASED 8.2%.

    Even so, Kansas still enjoys a AA+ credit rating by S &P.

    Kansas spends 27% of its state budget on K-12 education. Only 5 states spend more on K-12 education as a percentage of total state expenditures.

    Kansas' Issuer Credit Rating (equivalent to General Obligation) was downgraded by S&P from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook on Aug. 6, 2014. The negative outlook from S&P was affirmed on march 25, 2015. This is what S&P wrote:


    "Offsetting credit factors for the ICR include what we consider:
    A sizable mid-fiscal 2015 budget gap that was covered with a mixture of ongoing and one-time budget adjustments. The mid-year budget corrections are projected by the state to avoid a negative balance, but would leave the state with close to a zero general fund balance at fiscal year-end 2015. We believe that income tax rate cuts have created legislative challenges in enacting a structurally balanced budget for fiscal 2016; The likelihood that general fund balances will remain low due to the governor's proposal to change funding of state general fund reserves; andSignificant unfunded pension liabilities and annual pension contributions that are below the actuarial annual required contribution (ARC), offset in part by Kansas' moderate tax-supported debt burden. The governor has proposed a $1.5 billion pension bond issue, which, if issued, may somewhat improve pension funded levels, but with the trade-off of higher debt."
    And a reminder...if a credit downgrade is an indictment of policy...

    S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

    Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

    image

    Time for someone around here to start gurgling...
    Gurgle
    Fixed
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    Since there seems to be a preoccupation with bond ratings going on, let me offer the Hardcore Husky investment tip of the day: whenever the political punditry pronounces the financial demise of a US state or municipality, be sure to take a close look at the underlying credit fundamentals. In most cases, but not all, there will be a huge overreaction and sell off, that does not gibe at all with the reality of the situation. For example, many pundits of a certain political stripe have proclaimed the death of California because it fits a convenient political narrative. Same thing could be going on from the other end of the spectrum regarding Kansas. But if you bought State of California GOs in 2009, you would be looking at a total return that would make @thechatch jealous. Now there are many problems with the California economic model that has resulted in the policy objective of killing the middle class in order to save it, but if people continue to dismiss the credit, I will be happy to profit at your expense.

    Yes, zero interest rates, Central bank stock, bond and derivative buying has been profitable since 2009.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Spending in Kansas between 2013 and 2014 INCREASED 8.2%.

    Even so, Kansas still enjoys a AA+ credit rating by S &P.

    Kansas spends 27% of its state budget on K-12 education. Only 5 states spend more on K-12 education as a percentage of total state expenditures.

    Kansas' Issuer Credit Rating (equivalent to General Obligation) was downgraded by S&P from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook on Aug. 6, 2014. The negative outlook from S&P was affirmed on march 25, 2015. This is what S&P wrote:


    "Offsetting credit factors for the ICR include what we consider:
    A sizable mid-fiscal 2015 budget gap that was covered with a mixture of ongoing and one-time budget adjustments. The mid-year budget corrections are projected by the state to avoid a negative balance, but would leave the state with close to a zero general fund balance at fiscal year-end 2015. We believe that income tax rate cuts have created legislative challenges in enacting a structurally balanced budget for fiscal 2016; The likelihood that general fund balances will remain low due to the governor's proposal to change funding of state general fund reserves; andSignificant unfunded pension liabilities and annual pension contributions that are below the actuarial annual required contribution (ARC), offset in part by Kansas' moderate tax-supported debt burden. The governor has proposed a $1.5 billion pension bond issue, which, if issued, may somewhat improve pension funded levels, but with the trade-off of higher debt."
    And a reminder...if a credit downgrade is an indictment of policy...

    S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

    Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

    image

    Time for someone around here to start gurgling...
    Gurgle
    The discussion just went way the fuck over my head.
    FIFY
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Spending in Kansas between 2013 and 2014 INCREASED 8.2%.

    Even so, Kansas still enjoys a AA+ credit rating by S &P.

    Kansas spends 27% of its state budget on K-12 education. Only 5 states spend more on K-12 education as a percentage of total state expenditures.

    Kansas' Issuer Credit Rating (equivalent to General Obligation) was downgraded by S&P from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook on Aug. 6, 2014. The negative outlook from S&P was affirmed on march 25, 2015. This is what S&P wrote:


    "Offsetting credit factors for the ICR include what we consider:
    A sizable mid-fiscal 2015 budget gap that was covered with a mixture of ongoing and one-time budget adjustments. The mid-year budget corrections are projected by the state to avoid a negative balance, but would leave the state with close to a zero general fund balance at fiscal year-end 2015. We believe that income tax rate cuts have created legislative challenges in enacting a structurally balanced budget for fiscal 2016; The likelihood that general fund balances will remain low due to the governor's proposal to change funding of state general fund reserves; andSignificant unfunded pension liabilities and annual pension contributions that are below the actuarial annual required contribution (ARC), offset in part by Kansas' moderate tax-supported debt burden. The governor has proposed a $1.5 billion pension bond issue, which, if issued, may somewhat improve pension funded levels, but with the trade-off of higher debt."
    And a reminder...if a credit downgrade is an indictment of policy...

    S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

    Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

    image

    Time for someone around here to start gurgling...
    Gurgle
    The discussion just went way the fuck over my head.
    FIFY
    Full court pressing
  • unfrozencavemanunfrozencaveman Member Posts: 2,303
    Artificially low interest rates? You take advantage - das a lotta money. nice check profit!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsSpDyBc_4
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,799

    Artificially low interest rates? You take advantage - das a lotta money. nice check profit!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsSpDyBc_4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HveMAHf2UBg
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,242

    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    All I know is Toppy can fuck right the hell off. Texas is a shithole - the whole fucking state is. I don't give a fuck if they stuff dollar bills in your ass every day, the fact that you have to live in that shitstain of a state to get it makes it not worth it.

    Make your money in Washington or California, deal with the fucking idiots in charge, and you're way better off than living in a bunghole of a state like Texas or Kansas.

    No wonder Houston and Topy line up to defend their fucked-up state. How else you you defend being so fucking stupid that you'd live in some shithole like that?



    Great open-minded liberal tolerance as always.
    I'm not a liberal, and I'm not tolerant, either.

    I've read your work.

    HTH
    Was it my posts about loving guns, killing stuff, objectifying women, and thinking Obama is a douchenozzle that led you to believe I'm a liberal and tolerant?

    Uhhh - ok.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    All I know is Toppy can fuck right the hell off. Texas is a shithole - the whole fucking state is. I don't give a fuck if they stuff dollar bills in your ass every day, the fact that you have to live in that shitstain of a state to get it makes it not worth it.

    Make your money in Washington or California, deal with the fucking idiots in charge, and you're way better off than living in a bunghole of a state like Texas or Kansas.

    No wonder Houston and Topy line up to defend their fucked-up state. How else you you defend being so fucking stupid that you'd live in some shithole like that?



    Great open-minded liberal tolerance as always.
    I'm not a liberal, and I'm not tolerant, either.

    I've read your work.

    HTH
    Was it my posts about loving guns, killing stuff, objectifying women, and thinking Obama is a douchenozzle that led you to believe I'm a liberal and tolerant?

    Uhhh - ok.
    That's the funny part. The conservatives around here think that if you don't agree with them on everything, you are a liberal faggot who drives a Prius and loves Obama.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,799
    2001400ex said:

    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    All I know is Toppy can fuck right the hell off. Texas is a shithole - the whole fucking state is. I don't give a fuck if they stuff dollar bills in your ass every day, the fact that you have to live in that shitstain of a state to get it makes it not worth it.

    Make your money in Washington or California, deal with the fucking idiots in charge, and you're way better off than living in a bunghole of a state like Texas or Kansas.

    No wonder Houston and Topy line up to defend their fucked-up state. How else you you defend being so fucking stupid that you'd live in some shithole like that?



    Great open-minded liberal tolerance as always.
    I'm not a liberal, and I'm not tolerant, either.

    I've read your work.

    HTH
    Was it my posts about loving guns, killing stuff, objectifying women, and thinking Obama is a douchenozzle that led you to believe I'm a liberal and tolerant?

    Uhhh - ok.
    That's the funny part. The conservatives around here think that if you don't agree with them on everything, you are a liberal faggot who drives a Prius and loves Obama.
    Hello

    @TierbsHsotBoobs is not a conservative around here.

    hth
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