Ben Stein: Hillary Clinton Hasn’t Accomplished Anything in Her Life

2001400ex

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

Purple doesn't like facts.

Tequilla

I love people that need lessons in how to read charts:

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/spending_chart_1992_2020USp_16s1li011mcn_G0f30t_Annual_Federal_Deficit

The nation prospered during the 1990s due to an explosion in technological efficiency creating a massive tech bubble combined with policies created by the Clinton led White House and Gingrich led Congress (I don't care who you want to give the majority of the credit to for that because to get what they got done done they both needed each other). You can see the effect of this by the declining deficit over this time period. One area where Clinton gained a lot in picking up ground on the deficit was by cutting defense spending ...

You'll see that the deficit started to pick up shortly after Dubya took office in January 2001 and that coincided with an uptick in military. There were two primary reasons for this. First, one of the main criticisms of what Clinton did with the military was that many viewed it as poorly equipped and inadequately prepared. Second, the impact of 9/11 hastened the need not only for what was the military action against terrorist networks that resulted, but also investment in military intelligence to protect against the modern terrorist threat. Additionally, for those that don't remember (and as a Senior at the UW at the time trying to find a job I'll never forget this), as soon as 9/11 happened, the job market dried up immediately. While the unemployment rate was slowly rising as Dubya inherited the office from Clinton, the big upticks came around the time of 9/11 going forward.

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

About midway through Dubya's first term as the economy turned around and success in Iraq/Afghanistan was evident, you'll find that the deficit and military spending once again decreased as economic prosperity once again became the rule of the day. The massive spike that you see is tied to the banking/housing bubble burst as well as the automotive industry falling on its face. How much of that you put the blame on Dubya (many of the policies that led to this were created during the Clinton Administration) is debatable. He clearly could have probably been more proactive. Could very easily accuse the Fed of being asleep at the wheel.

Obama had a number of issues early in his presidency. While he has brought down spending compared to what he inherited, the biggest issue many have with his spending is that at no point is he projecting to do anything other than get to as low as Dubya's highest points (excluding the '08 crashes). His spending is generally irresponsible and he's got absolutely no problem spending what he doesn't have. It's very hard to argue against that when you look at the graphs and projections.

2001400ex

Tequilla said:

I love people that need lessons in how to read charts:

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/spending_chart_1992_2020USp_16s1li011mcn_G0f30t_Annual_Federal_Deficit

The nation prospered during the 1990s due to an explosion in technological efficiency creating a massive tech bubble combined with policies created by the Clinton led White House and Gingrich led Congress (I don't care who you want to give the majority of the credit to for that because to get what they got done done they both needed each other). You can see the effect of this by the declining deficit over this time period. One area where Clinton gained a lot in picking up ground on the deficit was by cutting defense spending ...

You'll see that the deficit started to pick up shortly after Dubya took office in January 2001 and that coincided with an uptick in military. There were two primary reasons for this. First, one of the main criticisms of what Clinton did with the military was that many viewed it as poorly equipped and inadequately prepared. Second, the impact of 9/11 hastened the need not only for what was the military action against terrorist networks that resulted, but also investment in military intelligence to protect against the modern terrorist threat. Additionally, for those that don't remember (and as a Senior at the UW at the time trying to find a job I'll never forget this), as soon as 9/11 happened, the job market dried up immediately. While the unemployment rate was slowly rising as Dubya inherited the office from Clinton, the big upticks came around the time of 9/11 going forward.

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

About midway through Dubya's first term as the economy turned around and success in Iraq/Afghanistan was evident, you'll find that the deficit and military spending once again decreased as economic prosperity once again became the rule of the day. The massive spike that you see is tied to the banking/housing bubble burst as well as the automotive industry falling on its face. How much of that you put the blame on Dubya (many of the policies that led to this were created during the Clinton Administration) is debatable. He clearly could have probably been more proactive. Could very easily accuse the Fed of being asleep at the wheel.

Obama had a number of issues early in his presidency. While he has brought down spending compared to what he inherited, the biggest issue many have with his spending is that at no point is he projecting to do anything other than get to as low as Dubya's highest points (excluding the '08 crashes). His spending is generally irresponsible and he's got absolutely no problem spending what he doesn't have. It's very hard to argue against that when you look at the graphs and projections.

I agree mostly with this as it is factual. It's just as dumb to blame dubya for the bubble (he does have his blame, along with wall street/banks, democrats, and other Republicans) as it would be to blame Obama for a $1.5 trillion deficit.

The one part you forget to mention about Bush was he twice tried to fix the economy by sending checks directly to taxpayers. Along with tax cuts while going into war. TARP was also his bill and the stimulus was Obama's bill. Both were needed and saved us from a much worse collapse.

sarktastic

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

Disagree. hondo is still getting paid by the Obama camp and while he will defend generic Dem viewpoints from time to time, he won't won't go fullTard Hillary until he's been released from his current assignment. She isn't engaging media yet and prolly won't for some time.

2001400ex

sarktastic said:

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

Disagree. hondo is still getting paid by the Obama camp and while he will defend generic Dem viewpoints from time to time, he won't won't go fullTard Hillary until he's been released from his current assignment. She isn't engaging media yet and prolly won't for some time.

I know you are being sarcastic. But I don't defend Obama, I call you guys out for being FS and believing anything you read on the internet.

AZDuck

Tequilla said:

dflea said:

He's not lying.

Look at the last couple fucktards that have held the office, though, and you'll see that any dipshit has the necessary qualifications - even if they have no qualifications at all.

If we're going to start bashing Dubya, I'm out ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpDJb3ZQu0Y

Reminds me of a joke that UO Law School faculty members used to tell: "What kind of job can you get if you were at the bottom of your class at UO Law? - U.S. Senator!" (Ron Wyden was an underwhelming law student in Eugene, apparently)

pawz

pawz said:

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

I seriously think he is a hired troll.

Reminds me of the poster Bushmolestor from back in the Unleashed days that mysteriously disappeared after W won a second term.

2001400ex said:

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

Purple doesn't like facts.

@2001400ex I like how you ignored the other remark.

2001400ex said:

sarktastic said:

PurpleJ said:

Love how Honda is always here to defend democrats every time they are attacked in a thread.

Disagree. hondo is still getting paid by the Obama camp and while he will defend generic Dem viewpoints from time to time, he won't won't go fullTard Hillary until he's been released from his current assignment. She isn't engaging media yet and prolly won't for some time.

I know you are being sarcastic. But I don't defend Obama, I call you guys out for being FS and believing anything you read on the internet.

Disagree.

BennyBeaver

And you're listening to a washed up actor and game show host.

Fuck you.

RaceBannon

TheGlove said:

And you're listening to a washed up actor and game show host.

Fuck you.

Abrasive

d2d

2001400ex said:

pawz said:

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

Dubya did some good things in his first term ... second term not as many.

That being said, I'd take him 100 out of 100 times compared to Obama.

Yeah I liked it when deficits didn't matter, we bombed the shit out of them Muslims and we were losing 800k jobs a month.

Your savior is still running a half-TRILLION dollar deficit you disingenuous fuck.

About 1/3 of the deficit of Dubyas last budget. If you don't want to be disingenuous.