Cano
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Yes if he doesn't have a mid to high .400 SLG and high .300 OBP this year and next, it will be pretty disappointing. I don't think HRs are the end all be all but you'd think he'd average 15-20 HRs his first 3 years in Seattle.RoadDawg55 said:
To be fair, Beltre hit much worse for the Mariners than he has anywhere else in his career. He was pretty good for the Mariners. He's played at a Hall of Fame level since leaving. Not sure what there is to argue about that.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team.
A #3 hitter with Cano's numbers is a problem. Maybe not the problem, but everyone outside of Felix and Cruz has been a problem.
Cano was brought in to provide at least a couple years of his 2009-2014 level. He hasn't done that. We all know why he was overpaid, and that it was necessary to get him to Seattle, but I think the general expectation was that he would sustain his Yankee level for at least a few years. Last year was a decent slip although he was still a very good player. This year he has slipped even further, at least early on. -
Mandatory Juicing for the entire Mariner Fucking Team ! We got 116 wins the last time.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It also helped that Beltre started juicing again.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team. -
14 HR's is the new 35.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
Nothing to worry about here. Last I heard a single with no one on base is still a hit. -
A terrible contract??? No. Sorry.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
1. The Mariners still cash flow before the first hot dog is sold.
2. The answer is signing even more players. Not wishing the Mariners hadn't taken action. -
Next you will be saying Albert Pujols contract is a good one.sarktastic said:
A terrible contract??? No. Sorry.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
1. The Mariners still cash flow before the first hot dog is sold.
2. The answer is signing even more players. Not wishing the Mariners hadn't taken action. -
Is he a Mariner?... that's what I thought.
