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RoadDawg55
RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,561 Swaye's Wigwam
edited May 2015 in Mariners Baby! + NFL + NBA + Other Sports
I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.

It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    no. Production is production, you don't need power to be successful. Right now he isn't producing but you like me assume he will eventually get back to what he did last year.
    Despite his struggles interestingly enough he's leading the AL in 2B, so he's still hitting for extra bases.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited May 2015
    I'm not going to defend what he's doing right now because it's pretty subpar. But that has nothing to do with the fact he has 1 homer
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,200 Founders Club
    I'm with Roadie on this one. Even if Cano ends up duplicating his numbers from last season, that contract is looking terrible.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    DerekJohnson said:

    I'm with Roadie on this one. Even if Cano ends up duplicating his numbers from last season, that contract is looking terrible.

    the contract was never going to look good on paper. No one outside of Mike Trout is worth that money
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    I should clarify, no one is worth that contract at age 30 outside of mike trout
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,561 Swaye's Wigwam
    dhdawg said:

    I'm not going to defend what he's doing right now because it's pretty subpar. But that has nothing to do with the fact he has 1 homer

    I don't understand how power doesn't matter. It does and it seems FS to say otherwise. I don't watch much baseball, but I am somewhat of a stat head. His OPS last season was his lowest since 2008. Lowest WAR since 2009 and this year is off to a bad start.

    He leads 2B in doubles. Big deal. Most 2B suck at hitting. How does he measure up to the average #3 hitter?

    Everyone knew that the contract would be bad in the later years, but he wasn't brought to Seattle to hit 10-15 HR's. He was brought in to be a middle of the order run producer. Some power slippage was to be expected due to not playing at Yankee Stadium, but still. Last three seasons he has hit 33, 27, and 14 HR's. He has one this season. That sure looks like a trend to me.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited May 2015
    he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
    And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
    .314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
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  • d2d
    d2d Member Posts: 3,109
    Wasn't Cruz behind him supposed to produce the "Promised Land" ?
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,200 Founders Club
    dhdawg said:

    he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
    And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
    .314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.

    I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"

    If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,270
    You knew you had to overpay to get him to Seattle ... I'm not even sure that arguing about his stars vs money is even really a debate ...

    The elephant in the room is that the Mariners don't have money ... They do and lots of it.
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