Cano
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
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no. Production is production, you don't need power to be successful. Right now he isn't producing but you like me assume he will eventually get back to what he did last year.
Despite his struggles interestingly enough he's leading the AL in 2B, so he's still hitting for extra bases. -
I'm not going to defend what he's doing right now because it's pretty subpar. But that has nothing to do with the fact he has 1 homer
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I'm with Roadie on this one. Even if Cano ends up duplicating his numbers from last season, that contract is looking terrible.
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the contract was never going to look good on paper. No one outside of Mike Trout is worth that moneyDerekJohnson said:I'm with Roadie on this one. Even if Cano ends up duplicating his numbers from last season, that contract is looking terrible.
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I should clarify, no one is worth that contract at age 30 outside of mike trout
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I don't understand how power doesn't matter. It does and it seems FS to say otherwise. I don't watch much baseball, but I am somewhat of a stat head. His OPS last season was his lowest since 2008. Lowest WAR since 2009 and this year is off to a bad start.dhdawg said:I'm not going to defend what he's doing right now because it's pretty subpar. But that has nothing to do with the fact he has 1 homer
He leads 2B in doubles. Big deal. Most 2B suck at hitting. How does he measure up to the average #3 hitter?
Everyone knew that the contract would be bad in the later years, but he wasn't brought to Seattle to hit 10-15 HR's. He was brought in to be a middle of the order run producer. Some power slippage was to be expected due to not playing at Yankee Stadium, but still. Last three seasons he has hit 33, 27, and 14 HR's. He has one this season. That sure looks like a trend to me. -
he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question. -
Wasn't Cruz behind him supposed to produce the "Promised Land" ?
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I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick. -
You knew you had to overpay to get him to Seattle ... I'm not even sure that arguing about his stars vs money is even really a debate ...
The elephant in the room is that the Mariners don't have money ... They do and lots of it. -
Cruz needs to start sharing his supply with the rest of the clubhouse. That's the only way the Mariners contend any time soon.DerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick. -
My Yankees say "Thank You"
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In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
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He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Yankees. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Cano would play at his Yankee level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Yankee. He's paid 24 million to be one of the best players in baseball. -
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team. -
right now he is a problem. If he does what he did last year he won't bednc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team. -
Really proud of how A Rod is over coming adversity this year to be the player we all lovePurpleJ said:My Yankees say "Thank You"
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The only other 2nd baseman I'd rather have than Cano is Altuve and Altuve is barely 25.
Cano brings so many things to table but the M's had to overpay to get him to Seattle and he'll probably be a part-time player his last 3 years ($72 million). -
It also helped that Beltre started juicing again.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team. -
To be fair, Beltre hit much worse for the Mariners than he has anywhere else in his career. He was pretty good for the Mariners. He's played at a Hall of Fame level since leaving. Not sure what there is to argue about that.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team.
A #3 hitter with Cano's numbers is a problem. Maybe not the problem, but everyone outside of Felix and Cruz has been a problem.
Cano was brought in to provide at least a couple years of his 2009-2014 level. He hasn't done that. We all know why he was overpaid, and that it was necessary to get him to Seattle, but I think the general expectation was that he would sustain his Yankee level for at least a few years. Last year was a decent slip although he was still a very good player. This year he has slipped even further, at least early on. -
Yes if he doesn't have a mid to high .400 SLG and high .300 OBP this year and next, it will be pretty disappointing. I don't think HRs are the end all be all but you'd think he'd average 15-20 HRs his first 3 years in Seattle.RoadDawg55 said:
To be fair, Beltre hit much worse for the Mariners than he has anywhere else in his career. He was pretty good for the Mariners. He's played at a Hall of Fame level since leaving. Not sure what there is to argue about that.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team.
A #3 hitter with Cano's numbers is a problem. Maybe not the problem, but everyone outside of Felix and Cruz has been a problem.
Cano was brought in to provide at least a couple years of his 2009-2014 level. He hasn't done that. We all know why he was overpaid, and that it was necessary to get him to Seattle, but I think the general expectation was that he would sustain his Yankee level for at least a few years. Last year was a decent slip although he was still a very good player. This year he has slipped even further, at least early on. -
Mandatory Juicing for the entire Mariner Fucking Team ! We got 116 wins the last time.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It also helped that Beltre started juicing again.dnc said:
This is the same mentality that made Mariners fans hate Adrian Beltre the whole time he was here and then discover he was fucking awesome after he left.RoadDawg55 said:
He's still been significantly worse for the Mariners than Dodgers. The general thought at the time seemed to be that Beltre would play at his Dodger level for a few more years. Last year was a pretty decent fall. This year has been off a cliff, but it is still early.dhdawg said:
In this age of baseball. An 830 ops and pretty good defense from a position that is usually an offensive black hole is worth a lot of moneyDerekJohnson said:
I think you're clinging to that statistical argument just for the sake of arguing. How can you justify that .314 and 14 homers is worth $24 million dollars? That's absurd. That's like saying "But how is Mark Emmert a bad president?"dhdawg said:he leads the AL in doubles, not just 2B. He was not the robinson cano that he was in 2012 last year, but 5 WAR is still pretty good.
And I said that what he's doing this year so far has been subpar, so I'm not sure why it matters how he stacks up to the average #3 hitter.
.314/.382/.452 is well worth 24 million for a 2B. Now whether he can replicate that this year in the question.
If I was staked with making the argument his contract IS worth it, I would argue that him leaving New York to come here made it plausible for Cruz to follow suit. And maybe, just maybe, it could start a trend in the future. But I highly doubt it, unless they get this pitching situation figured out quick.
It's not really about his position. It's about his production vs his production as a Dodge. He's paid 16 million to be one of the best players in baseball.
Cano isn't close to the problem on this team. -
14 HR's is the new 35.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
Nothing to worry about here. Last I heard a single with no one on base is still a hit. -
A terrible contract??? No. Sorry.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
1. The Mariners still cash flow before the first hot dog is sold.
2. The answer is signing even more players. Not wishing the Mariners hadn't taken action. -
Next you will be saying Albert Pujols contract is a good one.sarktastic said:
A terrible contract??? No. Sorry.RoadDawg55 said:I've been saying the power slippage is concerning. Do you Moogs here still poo poo it and think it's no big deal? 14 HR's last year. 1 so far this season. He had hit 25+ from 2009 until last year. Forget about five years from now, that contract is borderline terrible now.
It's not that Cano sucks. His average will rise, but paying a guy 20-25 million for as little power as he has shown is a terrible contract.
1. The Mariners still cash flow before the first hot dog is sold.
2. The answer is signing even more players. Not wishing the Mariners hadn't taken action. -
Is he a Mariner?... that's what I thought.
