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IMALOSER_
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UW played two games last year that would have been considered "fastbreak" type games.
Oregon and Arizona...........
Why exactly do we want to go to this type of game plan? I think if anything it will help the defense in preparation for teams that do play fast. I have a feeling that this years offense will not look much different than last years as far as speed. I say we are going to play at the same speed and work in the no huddle a couple series a game, just like last year.
I think the biggest change will be using a two back set with Sankey and Callier/Washington/Cooper. The two back set looked like it might have some success last year, then the turf jumped up and grabbed Callier.
Oregon and Arizona...........
Why exactly do we want to go to this type of game plan? I think if anything it will help the defense in preparation for teams that do play fast. I have a feeling that this years offense will not look much different than last years as far as speed. I say we are going to play at the same speed and work in the no huddle a couple series a game, just like last year.
I think the biggest change will be using a two back set with Sankey and Callier/Washington/Cooper. The two back set looked like it might have some success last year, then the turf jumped up and grabbed Callier.
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Excellent insight.IMALOSER_ said:UW played two games last year that would have been considered "fastbreak" type games.
Oregon and Arizona...........
Why exactly do we want to go to this type of game plan? I think if anything it will help the defense in preparation for teams that do play fast. I have a feeling that this years offense will not look much different than last years as far as speed. I say we are going to play at the same speed and work in the no huddle a couple series a game, just like last year.
I think the biggest change will be using a two back set with Sankey and Callier/Washington/Cooper. The two back set looked like it might have some success last year, then the turf jumped up and grabbed Callier. -
Wow, a surprisingly good post. I agree about facing the no huddle in practice can only help our defense. Hopefully, we are much improved against the no huddle teams we play this year.
I also agree with you about 2 RB sets. I'm not huge on running the majority of our plays from the shotgun, but we do have RB's who can all catch so we should be able to produce some different looks on offense. It will be interesting to see what the plan is on offense. I am hoping that we take advantage of the RB depth and run the ball more, but I'm not counting on it. -
there is no way Sark is completely changing his offensive philosophy, and if he is I will criticize him for it. Stick with what u know best, even if it is shit.
If we do go full no huddle the doogs will probably say give sark credit for willing to adjust only to go back into their hidy holes when it's a complete disaster -
So UW has been unable to prepare their defense for Oregon because they don't run the offense and they aren't really going to run it this year but it will help prepare the defense.
And yet Stanford plays smashmouth and beat Oregon -
It will be interesting to see the offensive plans for sure, if not it will be an interesting year. Don't you think?RoadDawg55 said:Wow, a surprisingly good post. I agree about facing the no huddle in practice can only help our defense. Hopefully, we are much improved against the no huddle teams we play this year.
I also agree with you about 2 RB sets. I'm not huge on running the majority of our plays from the shotgun, but we do have RB's who can all catch so we should be able to produce some different looks on offense. It will be interesting to see what the plan is on offense. I am hoping that we take advantage of the RB depth and run the ball more, but I'm not counting on it.
I think if we take advantage of the talent at running back we could do well, baring injury. I'm just hoping we can get some good production out of the 2 back set.
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If Sark is just doing this as a stunt to help stop Oregon and Arizona, he's even more clueless than we think he is.
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If we're gonna run the hurry up, the routine of
1st down and 10: incomplete pass
2nd down and 10: draw play for 2 yards
3rd down and 8: pass to covered TE or RB for 3 yard gain
4th and 5: punt
will cause Danny Shelton to pass out from exhaustion by the 2nd quarter -
In order to beat an uptempo offense, you have to become......an up tempo offense.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If Sark is just doing this as a stunt to help stop Oregon and Arizona, he's even more clueless than we think he is.
In order to catch and international jewel thief, you have to become...an international jewel thief.
In order to catch a rapist, you have to become...a rapist. -
I think I've found my calling as a rapist catcherMikeDamone said:
In order to beat an uptempo offense, you have to become......an up tempo offense.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If Sark is just doing this as a stunt to help stop Oregon and Arizona, he's even more clueless than we think he is.
In order to catch and international jewel thief, you have to become...an international jewel thief.
In order to catch a rapist, you have to become...a rapist. -
If we like our no huddle offense we can keep it
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Can we get back to talking Xs and Os and Jimmies and Joes?RaceBannon said:If we like our no huddle offense we can keep it
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Using two RB's is an interesting concept that for whatever reason Sark doesn't use. I know IMALOSER loves to point out that Sankey was 3rd in carries but I want our team carries to go up.
In the James years and even Slick Rick you had multiple guys getting carries to keep them fresh while you wear down the defense.
With Sankey, Callier, Washington, possibly Taylor, possibly Cooper there is no reason that your back up RB's shouldn't get 8-10 touches a game. -
I think platooning in RBs would be interesting. Do you think Sark will do it? I like the depth (baring injury)He_Needs_More_Time said:Using two RB's is an interesting concept that for whatever reason Sark doesn't use. I know IMALOSER loves to point out that Sankey was 3rd in carries but I want our team carries to go up.
In the James years and even Slick Rick you had multiple guys getting carries to keep them fresh while you wear down the defense.
With Sankey, Callier, Washington, possibly Taylor, possibly Cooper there is no reason that your back up RB's shouldn't get 8-10 touches a game. -
I think losing Callier was huge last year. There really wasn't anyone that stepped up as a second option. Taylor switched over from WR, but he had to learn the position on the fly. They started to use Taylor and Sankey together later in the year, but it's not the same as having a Callier, Cooper or Washington back there with them.He_Needs_More_Time said:Using two RB's is an interesting concept that for whatever reason Sark doesn't use. I know IMALOSER loves to point out that Sankey was 3rd in carries but I want our team carries to go up.
In the James years and even Slick Rick you had multiple guys getting carries to keep them fresh while you wear down the defense.
With Sankey, Callier, Washington, possibly Taylor, possibly Cooper there is no reason that your back up RB's shouldn't get 8-10 touches a game.
I personally liked at the beginning of the year when they went to shotgun with Sankey and Callier both in. Puts pressure on the defense. They don't know which back will be running, which one will run swing to the flat and then you have ASJ and Williams to worry about. Having that fourth weapon in the game makes Sankey, ASJ and Williams even more dangerous. Then if we can get a speed WR to pressure deep it opens a lot of possibilities. Won't matter how fast or slow we run the offense. -
Stanford may have played great defense against Oregon last year, but the two years before that Stanford gave up 52 and 53 to Oregon. Stanford also gave up 48 to Arizona last year, so I'm not sure they are all that great of an example.
I'm sure we will get shredded a couple of times against no huddle teams this year, so I get the sarcastic comments, but going against the no huddle everyday in practice should do nothing but help us.
I will add that we don't have the players or depth on the DL to actually stop no huddle teams. All the teams that have given Oregon trouble have been teams with disruptive DL's, something we haven't and still don't have. Oregon runs out their entire 2nd string DL for series and there isn't even a noticeable drop off. If we run no huddle/hurry up the entire game, our D will get destroyed because we don't have the depth to rotate and keep guys fresh. -
The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
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What about the defense? I think if we can get pressure up the middle and some heat from the edge we will stop a lot of plays.IMALOSER_ said:
I think losing Callier was huge last year. There really wasn't anyone that stepped up as a second option. Taylor switched over from WR, but he had to learn the position on the fly. They started to use Taylor and Sankey together later in the year, but it's not the same as having a Callier, Cooper or Washington back there with them.He_Needs_More_Time said:Using two RB's is an interesting concept that for whatever reason Sark doesn't use. I know IMALOSER loves to point out that Sankey was 3rd in carries but I want our team carries to go up.
In the James years and even Slick Rick you had multiple guys getting carries to keep them fresh while you wear down the defense.
With Sankey, Callier, Washington, possibly Taylor, possibly Cooper there is no reason that your back up RB's shouldn't get 8-10 touches a game.
I personally liked at the beginning of the year when they went to shotgun with Sankey and Callier both in. Puts pressure on the defense. They don't know which back will be running, which one will run swing to the flat and then you have ASJ and Williams to worry about. Having that fourth weapon in the game makes Sankey, ASJ and Williams even more dangerous. Then if we can get a speed WR to pressure deep it opens a lot of possibilities. Won't matter how fast or slow we run the offense. -
I think the new offense plays to UW's strength in personnel, or lack of personnel. Shit we definitely are not a smash mouth team. We, as fans, want to be but that isn't where we are. We can't show the D the play we are going to run, say Fuck You!, and jam the ball down their throats. (Thanks Sark/Coz. Can't either of those guys recruit OL? Fuck). Any who...our best bet is to run fast and keep defenses off guard. We need to pick the pace up and keep the D guessing. Keep the blitzes off the QB. Maybe force a 3 man front since we can't block 4 as it is. I'm not sure this is happening because it's hip. I think it's happening because there isn't a better choice.RaceBannon said:
So UW has been unable to prepare their defense for Oregon because they don't run the offense and they aren't really going to run it this year but it will help prepare the defense.
And yet Stanford plays smashmouth and beat Oregon -
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
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Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
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ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
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This is way too much football talk.... =D>
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That one never gets oldMikeDamone said:
What about the defense? I think if we can get pressure up the middle and some heat from the edge we will stop a lot of plays.IMALOSER_ said:
I think losing Callier was huge last year. There really wasn't anyone that stepped up as a second option. Taylor switched over from WR, but he had to learn the position on the fly. They started to use Taylor and Sankey together later in the year, but it's not the same as having a Callier, Cooper or Washington back there with them.He_Needs_More_Time said:Using two RB's is an interesting concept that for whatever reason Sark doesn't use. I know IMALOSER loves to point out that Sankey was 3rd in carries but I want our team carries to go up.
In the James years and even Slick Rick you had multiple guys getting carries to keep them fresh while you wear down the defense.
With Sankey, Callier, Washington, possibly Taylor, possibly Cooper there is no reason that your back up RB's shouldn't get 8-10 touches a game.
I personally liked at the beginning of the year when they went to shotgun with Sankey and Callier both in. Puts pressure on the defense. They don't know which back will be running, which one will run swing to the flat and then you have ASJ and Williams to worry about. Having that fourth weapon in the game makes Sankey, ASJ and Williams even more dangerous. Then if we can get a speed WR to pressure deep it opens a lot of possibilities. Won't matter how fast or slow we run the offense.
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Ok, then Utah. Now fuck offIMALOSER_ said:
ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
Utah and USC would have been better examples at 65 and 66 plays per game respectively. -
plays per game are not related to the tempo of an offense. The tempo of an offense would be time of possession/plays called (seconds per play)IMALOSER_ said:
ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
Utah and USC would have been better examples at 65 and 66 plays per game respectively.
Team Seconds per play
Arizona 19.03
Oregon 21.10
ASU 22.48
WSU 22.63
UCLA 22.75
California 24.79
OSU 26.15
USC 26.67
Utah 26.70
UW 26.99
Colorado 27.65
Stanford 28.06
Basically UW was pretty damn slow with its offense last year and significantly slower than Oregon (despite what you suggested). UW is going to have to increase its play calling tempo by 15%+ in order to reach the top quarter of the Pac12. I dont think this strategy is going to help but even just a slight increase could move UW near the middle of the pac12. I dont think that Sark is capible of running a hurry up offense at the pseed of UCLA, WSU, or ASU given his penchant for complex play books, motion prior to the snap, and poor play calling patterns. -
Thanks for having my back.....Bro!!Houhusky said:
plays per game are not related to the tempo of an offense. The tempo of an offense would be time of possession/plays called (seconds per play)IMALOSER_ said:
ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
Utah and USC would have been better examples at 65 and 66 plays per game respectively.
Team Seconds per play
Arizona 19.03
Oregon 21.10
ASU 22.48
WSU 22.63
UCLA 22.75
California 24.79
OSU 26.15
USC 26.67
Utah 26.70
UW 26.99
Colorado 27.65
Stanford 28.06
Basically UW was pretty damn slow with its offense last year and significantly slower than Oregon (despite what you suggested). UW is going to have to increase its play calling tempo by 15%+ in order to reach the top quarter of the Pac12. I dont think this strategy is going to help but even just a slight increase could move UW near the middle of the pac12. I dont think that Sark is capible of running a hurry up offense at the pseed of UCLA, WSU, or ASU given his penchant for complex play books, motion prior to the snap, and poor play calling patterns.
Damone was the one that said ASU was a slow paced team that took 40 seconds to run a play. You showed him. -
I can't wait to see the monstrosity in Tempe next year. I see ASU getting a lot of positions and a lot of pointsIMALOSER_ said:
Thanks for having my back.....Bro!!Houhusky said:
plays per game are not related to the tempo of an offense. The tempo of an offense would be time of possession/plays called (seconds per play)IMALOSER_ said:
ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
Utah and USC would have been better examples at 65 and 66 plays per game respectively.
Team Seconds per play
Arizona 19.03
Oregon 21.10
ASU 22.48
WSU 22.63
UCLA 22.75
California 24.79
OSU 26.15
USC 26.67
Utah 26.70
UW 26.99
Colorado 27.65
Stanford 28.06
Basically UW was pretty damn slow with its offense last year and significantly slower than Oregon (despite what you suggested). UW is going to have to increase its play calling tempo by 15%+ in order to reach the top quarter of the Pac12. I dont think this strategy is going to help but even just a slight increase could move UW near the middle of the pac12. I dont think that Sark is capible of running a hurry up offense at the pseed of UCLA, WSU, or ASU given his penchant for complex play books, motion prior to the snap, and poor play calling patterns.
Damone was the one that said ASU was a slow paced team that took 40 seconds to run a play. You showed him. -
The teams that beat Oregon beat them on the line of scrimmage.
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NOGAF about you or Damone Im just providing the correct statistic for you fuckersIMALOSER_ said:
Thanks for having my back.....Bro!!Houhusky said:
plays per game are not related to the tempo of an offense. The tempo of an offense would be time of possession/plays called (seconds per play)IMALOSER_ said:
ASU was actually #4 in the Pac-12 with 78 plays a game. Only 3 plays less than Oregon. I know, I know.......defending Sark again.MikeDamone said:
Do you think we will be at disadvantage when we play teams that huddle up and try to run fewer plays? Our guys will be used to an up tempo, but when a team like ASU starts taking 40 seconds between plays, that could be an issue.RoadDawg55 said:
I realize that, but playing against the no huddle for all of spring and fall camp should condition the defense to be more familiar with the no huddle. Hopefully, that training will help when we face no huddle teams, although I'm nor sure it will matter much because we still have a piss poor DL with no depth.RaceBannon said:The scout team goes against the first team offense. The defense prepares for that weeks opponent against the scout team
Utah and USC would have been better examples at 65 and 66 plays per game respectively.
Team Seconds per play
Arizona 19.03
Oregon 21.10
ASU 22.48
WSU 22.63
UCLA 22.75
California 24.79
OSU 26.15
USC 26.67
Utah 26.70
UW 26.99
Colorado 27.65
Stanford 28.06
Basically UW was pretty damn slow with its offense last year and significantly slower than Oregon (despite what you suggested). UW is going to have to increase its play calling tempo by 15%+ in order to reach the top quarter of the Pac12. I dont think this strategy is going to help but even just a slight increase could move UW near the middle of the pac12. I dont think that Sark is capible of running a hurry up offense at the pseed of UCLA, WSU, or ASU given his penchant for complex play books, motion prior to the snap, and poor play calling patterns.
Damone was the one that said ASU was a slow paced team that took 40 seconds to run a play. You showed him.
More to the point, UW wont be running anything resembling an actual hurry up offense, like many have suggested, because it would take an entire revamping of an offense by a new head coach with a new philosophy and new play book. It will be pretty easy however to atleast be somewhat faster.
Your two running backs at the same time idea is CaldawgFS. The offensive line struggles to block along the outside and it requires that both running back be capable of blocking on a running or pass play (they aren't). It doesnt stretch the defense vertically or horizontally and limits fast play calling because you are tiring out two running backs at the same time. The one thing Sark doesnt need is more swing plays in the backfield. When UW actually runs the ball downhill from under center our interior OL is actually serviceable and forces the LBs to actually attack the LOS. The shotgun is great for fast developing plays when you are unable to sustain pass blocking and have WRs that can create space one on one but this setup is just going to allow the LBs to easily track and find ASJ off the line because they dont need to worry about the run as much. Any play to the RBs is going to be a slowly developing running play or a horizontal pass in the back field to which they can then react and attack. -
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