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Romar's ace in the (2) hole
bananasnblondes
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For all except the truly dumb (Romar should get to retire from UW on his own terms because he is a great man and good representative of the university), the overwhelming reason that Romar should be kept for another year is because of the great recruiting class he's bringing in. The argument is that you at least have to get the recruiting class in the door and if you fire Romar you have to let them out of their LOIs.
The more I think about this, the more I think it is complete bullshit.
If you throw the bank at someone and bring in a good coach (which is Woody's job), their first challenge will be to keep these guys in the boat. I can't imagine that any of these recruits are super excited to be playing for Romar at this point. It would also be a huge carrot for a big-time coach. In most cases, you'd be walking into a complete disaster following the firing of a long-term coach, but in this case, you're walking into a top-10 recruiting class if you can keep them at UW. 3 of the guys being local helps you in this regard. You also possibly have a few guys in NWG, AA, or JJ who could be talked into sticking around.
If you keep Romar, he fails to make the tournament again (which is extremely likely), and he gets fired, the whole team will leave and the incoming coach will be walking into an absolute shitpile. NWG and Murray will jump to the pros, the other players will transfer after a bad experience at UW, and whoever has the balls/bad career sense to take the job will be building from nothing.
The more I think about this, the more I think it is complete bullshit.
If you throw the bank at someone and bring in a good coach (which is Woody's job), their first challenge will be to keep these guys in the boat. I can't imagine that any of these recruits are super excited to be playing for Romar at this point. It would also be a huge carrot for a big-time coach. In most cases, you'd be walking into a complete disaster following the firing of a long-term coach, but in this case, you're walking into a top-10 recruiting class if you can keep them at UW. 3 of the guys being local helps you in this regard. You also possibly have a few guys in NWG, AA, or JJ who could be talked into sticking around.
If you keep Romar, he fails to make the tournament again (which is extremely likely), and he gets fired, the whole team will leave and the incoming coach will be walking into an absolute shitpile. NWG and Murray will jump to the pros, the other players will transfer after a bad experience at UW, and whoever has the balls/bad career sense to take the job will be building from nothing.
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Excellent point.
When the UW fired June, they didn't let Katelon Redmon out of her LOI and stuck her with Tia.
A smart AD would look at the long term benefits and fire Romar anyways. An even smarter AD would have fired Romar after last year, which would have been completely fair and a much better time to do so.
If we were handicapping the theory that romar leaves players leave, i'll put the % i think that player leaves:
Murray - 5%
Crisp - 0%
Thyb - 5%
Criss - 40%
Dime - 50%
Devenir - 50%(this scholy may get pulled from a new coach. IE, one who doesn't believe the BS that you must have a 7' ogre on your team to compete)
Let's walk down another road that just recently happened. CP. He came in and closed the door on two local recruits who likely wouldn't have come to UW. Why is the basketball program any different? The new coach will have to sell themselves to top level local guys every year. The notion that we'll have some mass exodus is absolutely comical. Especially considering the dreck fest we've had the last few years. We need a mass exodus. Oregon, oregon st and Utah are very recent examples where a coach came in and had very few scholy players b/c the old coach sucked. They somehow have put together good squads in short time periods. We've had a full roster and have the worst team in the pac12.
It's pretty hard to develop a relationship and trust a coaching staff in a matter of a couple weeks. If UW hired a coach that already knew the kids and had some kind of relationship, that would obviously help the chances of them staying.
The recruiting class or any individual recruits should not be a reason for keeping Romar. I don't care if Murray, Chriss, and the other bolt if Romar is fired. I would still look at it as a good thing.
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2008/washington-65
Murray is the only one good enough that a coach would boot a kid to make room for. Not that the others are bad, they're just not worth kicking a kid that you gave a scholarship to off the team for another player at the last minute. Most coaches wouldn't do that anyway.
It'd be one thing if the next coaching hire is somebody that the kids look at and say "who?" and then decide that they'd rather ask out of their LOI.
If it's somebody that is a proven winner (i.e. Marshall), barring a complete personality clash, I would expect that most of these players would look at the opportunity to play for a proven winning coach and say that they are in a good place.
And if you lose a class, you lose a class. Far more important to have a healthy program long-term even if that means a lean year or two because look at this year ... total dreckfest.
My overarching philosophy is that when you know somebody isn't the answer in a position like this, you're better off finding the next option because you'll be that much closer to finding the actual solution.
You actually think coaches won't want Chriss or Dime if they were released from their LOI? Maybe Crisp and the big guy from Canada would have trouble finding suitors, but the others would not.
After firing a coach, the new coach has to start over and rebuild. That's just how it works. It's fine, it really doesn't take long, see any coach that's worth a shit. Miller, Monty, Altman, kryspykreme at Utah...
Yeah, you lose some players/recruits in the switch. Stop being a pussy about it.
The idea that UW needs romar to forever succeed is a ridiculous notion. I wish the guy would have kept his style, or gone back to it after a year or two of futile efforts. But he seems bound and determined to repeat the same stupid mistakes year after year now.
Those guys are legends and should always be welcomed, but trying to appease them is FS. Just get a good basketball coach and everything will work itself out. Everything else such as the recruiting class, Romar being a great guy, the NBA guys love Romar... It's white noise.
You would think they would just pick up the phone and confirm with each other "we got this, it's us AA, NWG (might foolishly bolt still) and? ? JJ?
These kids still want to play asap and bolt to the pros if they prove their worth.
There isn't a better school that offers that opportunity on the west coast.
Minus the elk grove kid, they are all local. I say they stay regardless.