Lynch or Suh?
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Rumors are 6 years $100million for Suh.
He isn't coming to Seattle unless Sark convinces him to forgo $35 Million in guaranteed money. -
6 for $100 is $16-$17M per year.sarktastic said:Rumors are 6 years $100million for Suh.
He isn't coming to Seattle unless Sark convinces him to forgo $35 Million in guaranteed money.
To sign Suh, you'd be cutting Mebane - which is $5M in cap space. I'd expect that they'd cut at least one other DL as well as I think both Williams and McDonald would free up $2M in cap space each.
I think the numbers I was thinking about would have put the Hawks at having $15-$20M of cap space after signing both Wilson and Wagner and before cutting anybody, restructuring deals, etc.
If you can sell Suh on winning Super Bowls plus the benefits of no state income tax (not an inconsequential amount when talking about that kind of money), you might be able to come up with a package that puts you in the ballpark. -
Suh is good and all, but the front office has proven they can find guys to play DL at an acceptable level. The defense doesn't need much.
The offense on the other hand needs a lot. The line is bad. If Lynch wasn't a beast, and if Russel wasn't an escape artist, they'd be exposed for the shit that they are. Upgrading WR sounds nice, but I'd much rather have an improved O-line so that they can still run the ball effectively if/when Lynch leaves/retires. Or protect the QB they are about to invest a lot of the cap into.
Suh is an extravagance we (I like to say "we" so it sounds like I am on the team) simply can't afford. -
Only problem with that logic is that Wilson IS an escape artist and in limited carries Turbin averages 4.0 ypc over his career and Michael averages 4.9 ypc. Not saying either are Lynch (so don't twist), but they'll find a reasonable RB or two to fit in whenever Lynch retires.ThomasFremont said:Suh is good and all, but the front office has proven they can find guys to play DL at an acceptable level. The defense doesn't need much.
The offense on the other hand needs a lot. The line is bad. If Lynch wasn't a beast, and if Russel wasn't an escape artist, they'd be exposed for the shit that they are. Upgrading WR sounds nice, but I'd much rather have an improved O-line so that they can still run the ball effectively if/when Lynch leaves/retires. Or protect the QB they are about to invest a lot of the cap into.
Suh is an extravagance we (I like to say "we" so it sounds like I am on the team) simply can't afford.
They do need help on the OL ... and I'd expect that they'll find 2 pieces in the offseason.
To say that Suh wouldn't be a massive upgrade is an understatement. He'd contribute to increasing the ability to put pressure up the middle on the QB, limiting their ability to step up in the pocket, and making the outside rushers more effective. Moreover, the one way right now to beat the Hawks is the short passing game which requires the DBs and LBs to not have 100% confidence in the DL's ability to get to the QB by a certain clock such that they have to give up some room on those underneath routes. If you limit the amount of time that the QB has to get rid of the ball, those underneath routes become far more difficult to complete and get YAC on. -
We don't really need Suh if Mebane and Jordan Hill come back healthy. I'd love to have 1 more year of Marshawn but he's already over the 2,000 carry threshold and turns 29 in April so I hope we don't extend him more than 1 more year (deal expiring after the 2016 season)...he's just that much closer to the performance cliff RBs suffer at age 29-31 with 2,000+ carries on their bodies.
Depending on what happens in FA, I'd like to see the Hawks select an OG, WR, LT (to groom behind Okung), NT, and CB (to help replace the pending departure of Maxwell). -
Sure, but that's not a sustainable model for the offense. He'll get older, the wear and tear will start to add up, he'll lose a step, and then we lose an effective part of the offense: his legs. Too often the offense relied on Lynch turning a loss in the backfield into a gain, or Russel turning a sack/busted play into positive yards.Tequilla said:
Only problem with that logic is that Wilson IS an escape artist and in limited carries Turbin averages 4.0 ypc over his career and Michael averages 4.9 ypc. Not saying either are Lynch (so don't twist), but they'll find a reasonable RB or two to fit in whenever Lynch retires.ThomasFremont said:Suh is good and all, but the front office has proven they can find guys to play DL at an acceptable level. The defense doesn't need much.
The offense on the other hand needs a lot. The line is bad. If Lynch wasn't a beast, and if Russel wasn't an escape artist, they'd be exposed for the shit that they are. Upgrading WR sounds nice, but I'd much rather have an improved O-line so that they can still run the ball effectively if/when Lynch leaves/retires. Or protect the QB they are about to invest a lot of the cap into.
Suh is an extravagance we (I like to say "we" so it sounds like I am on the team) simply can't afford.
They do need help on the OL ... and I'd expect that they'll find 2 pieces in the offseason.
To say that Suh wouldn't be a massive upgrade is an understatement. He'd contribute to increasing the ability to put pressure up the middle on the QB, limiting their ability to step up in the pocket, and making the outside rushers more effective. Moreover, the one way right now to beat the Hawks is the short passing game which requires the DBs and LBs to not have 100% confidence in the DL's ability to get to the QB by a certain clock such that they have to give up some room on those underneath routes. If you limit the amount of time that the QB has to get rid of the ball, those underneath routes become far more difficult to complete and get YAC on.
BTW, Turbin/Michael haven't proven anything with their change of pace/garbage time carries. -
Mebane has to go. No point to paying a two down, run stopping DT 5+ million, especially when the team went 8-2 without him. Getting to the passer was a bigger problem than stopping the run.
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Particularly when the potential replacement does BOTHRoadDawg55 said:Mebane has to go. No point to paying a two down, run stopping DT 5+ million, especially when the team went 8-2 without him. Getting to the passer was a bigger problem than stopping the run.
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Are Wilson's legs going to go in the next year or two? Sounds like the general talking head that questions Wilson's performance.
And regarding Lynch, you put a deal together that is consistent with his projected performance or you go short-term deals. If you work together, a deal can be found that is fair for both parties. -
Jordan Hill is better than Mebane already.
