KG on Joyner's recruitment
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If Kim thinks CP fucked up AJ's recruitment and we STILL got him, how would he describe Sark's recruitment of Josh Garnett or Myles Jack?
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There's no such thing as a fence anymore. With internet and social media kids aren't afraid to leave home for school these days. This is happening everywhere, there's nothing Sark can do about it. California kids are better than Washington kids anyway.insinceredawg said:If Kim thinks CP fucked up AJ's recruitment and we STILL got him, how would he describe Sark's recruitment of Josh Garnett or Myles Jack?
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Garnett ruled out UW as have others specifically because Sark was coach at UW and there is no spinning that.dnc said:
There's no such thing as a fence anymore. With internet and social media kids aren't afraid to leave home for school these days. This is happening everywhere, there's nothing Sark can do about it. California kids are better than Washington kids anyway.insinceredawg said:If Kim thinks CP fucked up AJ's recruitment and we STILL got him, how would he describe Sark's recruitment of Josh Garnett or Myles Jack?
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Now ...insinceredawg said:If Kim thinks CP fucked up AJ's recruitment and we STILL got him, how would he describe Sark's recruitment of Josh Garnett or Myles Jack?
Jacob Eason commits to Georgia = Peterson screws up
Austin Joyner decommits from UW, commits to WSU, ends up re-committing and signing with UW = Peterson screws up/UW lucks out when Leach fires a couple coaches
Then ...
Josh Garnett = UW's chances are as good as anybody's (November)/Garnett was always signing with Stanford. Nothing anyone could've done (January).
Zack Banner = In the end, kid's from a close-knit family and UW's gonna be tough to beat (November)/Zack wanted to create his own legacy. Regardless, Sark has addressed the situation by firing assistant coach who led Banner's recruitment.
KeiVarae Russell = UW sitting in good shape (November)/Well, his mom doesn't like the University of Washington (The university itself? WTF does that even mean).
Myles Jack = commits early to UCLA despite previously envisioning himself playing for the Huskies=bad kid with grade issues (summer)=Hey, never mind about the grades woes or questionable character. Sark has done a great job and it looks like a 50/50 call between UW-UCLA a week before signing day (January).
Max Browne = ??? but certainly no blame on Sarkisian for screwing up.
Danny Mattingly = Kid loves defensive coaches and UW is right there (November)/Bad egg. Best that UW goes in another direction (January).
Scott Crichton = Don't call this an evaluation error by UW's coaches. You can't be wrong if you sign the player (in this case, Josh Shirley) with more stars. If you can't understand that much, Ken can't help you.
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Not enough academis and idiot, but still, ybeBabsGilbyTawdTy said:
Now ...insinceredawg said:If Kim thinks CP fucked up AJ's recruitment and we STILL got him, how would he describe Sark's recruitment of Josh Garnett or Myles Jack?
Jacob Eason commits to Georgia = Peterson screws up
Austin Joyner decommits from UW, commits to WSU, ends up re-committing and signing with UW = Peterson screws up/UW lucks out when Leach fires a couple coaches
Then ...
Josh Garnett = UW's chances are as good as anybody's (November)/Garnett was always signing with Stanford. Nothing anyone could've done (January).
Zack Banner = In the end, kid's from a close-knit family and UW's gonna be tough to beat (November)/Zack wanted to create his own legacy. Regardless, Sark has addressed the situation by firing assistant coach who led Banner's recruitment.
KeiVarae Russell = UW sitting in good shape (November)/Well, his mom doesn't like the University of Washington (The university itself? WTF does that even mean).
Myles Jack = commits early to UCLA despite previously envisioning himself playing for the Huskies=bad kid with grade issues (summer)=Hey, never mind about the grades woes or questionable character. Sark has done a great job and it looks like a 50/50 call between UW-UCLA a week before signing day (January).
Max Browne = ??? but certainly no blame on Sarkisian for screwing up.
Danny Mattingly = Kid loves defensive coaches and UW is right there (November)/Bad egg. Best that UW goes in another direction (January).
Scott Crichton = Don't call this an evaluation error by UW's coaches. You can't be wrong if you sign the player (in this case, Josh Shirley) with more stars. If you can't understand that much, Ken can't help you.
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I think Jake Eason was open to Washington and I think that Pete waited to go through his process on him and for whatever reason that allowed a crack in the relationship that Mark Richt exploited.
I really like Pete and I'm a fan of his system, but some of these poasts are completely moronic.
Eason looks fantastic on film and has offers from everyone in the country. He's also in our back yard. Losing him stings a little bit, definitely. Why should I say otherwise?
Our chances of pulling one of the top-5 QBs (or any other position) in America are only high when they're in our backyard. That's why local recruiting is so important.
If you don't realize that the vast majority of our big recruiting wins come from the state of Washington then you should go fellate SincereDawgFS. -
That is all true about Eason and local recruiting... But I want to say this now about Isaac "Does He Even Play in Games for Bellevue, Because I watched Them Play Three Times Last Year And He Did Nothing" Garcia before anyone else....
We didn't want Isaac Garcia anyways.
I absolutely wanted Eason, and it is a loss on the recruiting front. Luckily it looks like we are going to get Matt Fink, so that helps a bit. But still a loss. -
Eason had offers from Alabama, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Georgia, Miami, and FSU before UW offered. I don't buy into the theory that you have to be first to offer, but many of those are elite schools and UW was pretty late to the game. I'm just speculating, but I can see how that might bother Eason and his parents.
I get wanting to see Eason throw at the Husky camp, but it's not hard to get to Lake Stevens or a 7-7 camp and watch him throw. With a player that close, the homework could have been done before the camp.
Eason is a top 5 player on 24/7. Losing that caliber of player is generally a bad thing. I would love to see what he could do under Petersen. Eason has every physical tool you could want in a pro-style QB. -
Kim has stated several times that Sark losing Heaps and Brown were no big deal because they were self-obsessed prima donna's. Eason, however, according to Kim, is a totally genuine kid who is completely grounded. This is interesting since it seems he has a camp/entourage who follows him everywhere and he felt slighted by a coach wanting to see him throw before offering him.
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Kim really likes Sark and irrationally defends him. Kim dislikes Pete and irrationally criticizes him.
That's what it is.
However, @RoadDawg55 is right on with this. That's the size of it...
I respect Pete and his process and I honestly love Matt Fink, but it's a loss. He had 6 months to offer and he didn't. Then he offered after the kid committed to GA. That's a mistake.
I'm a big fan of Pete, but a spade is a spade. -
Doubt it will happen again now that the staff is set up in Washington and offering WA kids 2 years out.Dennis_DeYoung said:Kim really likes Sark and irrationally defends him. Kim dislikes Pete and irrationally criticizes him.
That's what it is.
However, @RoadDawg55 is right on with this. That's the size of it...
I respect Pete and his process and I honestly love Matt Fink, but it's a loss. He had 6 months to offer and he didn't. Then he offered after the kid committed to GA. That's a mistake.
I'm a big fan of Pete, but a spade is a spade. -
If this turns into the Great Eason Schism of 2015 so be it I guess, but he's still just another kid until he gets out on the practice field in
2015 20162017. -
Eason got crushed by the 85 Bears in the Super Bowl
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That list looks awfully similar to Nick Montana's. I was out of the loop with Eason and never really heard of him until DeYoung splooged about him on here months ago.
Upon further research, he clearly is a top prospect in the country, but what was the deal with him not being offered by UW? Was he offered by Sark and then UW didn't honor the offer once the coaching change occurred? Just seams strange if Sark was down to offer a 13 year old but not a more immediate class All-everything in his own backyard. Pretty strange of Pete to not honor it too.
I guess the question I have with Eason is how did his early recruitment breakdown and how did Georgia grab him so securely of all the schools? -
@Dennis_DeYoung Has anyone really ever put on the board that maybe pete doesn't see eason fitting what he wants to do with a team? My point has been peterson is successful by not only recruiting a certain kid mentally, he also recruits for a position that will succeed in a system he runs. I wonder if there is something about eason that they didn't like and it took a while to come around. Maybe they gave the courtesy offer fully knowing he wouldn't take it?
I'm not going to sit here and say I know anything about eason vs fink and who's that much better. I would just wonder if pete had a strategy on it from teh get go. he doesn't seem like the type to wait on a kid who he really wants. -
Eason has been known by the former BOISE STATE coach since long before he arrived at UW. Time to let the skinny one go to Georgia and be happy with who Pete brings us
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Pete offered him after he saw him throw in person. HTH.FreeChavez said:@Dennis_DeYoung Has anyone really ever put on the board that maybe pete doesn't see eason fitting what he wants to do with a team? My point has been peterson is successful by not only recruiting a certain kid mentally, he also recruits for a position that will succeed in a system he runs. I wonder if there is something about eason that they didn't like and it took a while to come around. Maybe they gave the courtesy offer fully knowing he wouldn't take it?
I'm not going to sit here and say I know anything about eason vs fink and who's that much better. I would just wonder if pete had a strategy on it from teh get go. he doesn't seem like the type to wait on a kid who he really wants. -
So if he didn't make some sort of huge effort to go see him in person, doesn't that lead you to believe there is more to it than just coming in that late?Dennis_DeYoung said:
Pete offered him after he saw him throw in person. HTH.FreeChavez said:@Dennis_DeYoung Has anyone really ever put on the board that maybe pete doesn't see eason fitting what he wants to do with a team? My point has been peterson is successful by not only recruiting a certain kid mentally, he also recruits for a position that will succeed in a system he runs. I wonder if there is something about eason that they didn't like and it took a while to come around. Maybe they gave the courtesy offer fully knowing he wouldn't take it?
I'm not going to sit here and say I know anything about eason vs fink and who's that much better. I would just wonder if pete had a strategy on it from teh get go. he doesn't seem like the type to wait on a kid who he really wants.
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Honestly, no.FreeChavez said:
So if he didn't make some sort of huge effort to go see him in person, doesn't that lead you to believe there is more to it than just coming in that late?Dennis_DeYoung said:
Pete offered him after he saw him throw in person. HTH.FreeChavez said:@Dennis_DeYoung Has anyone really ever put on the board that maybe pete doesn't see eason fitting what he wants to do with a team? My point has been peterson is successful by not only recruiting a certain kid mentally, he also recruits for a position that will succeed in a system he runs. I wonder if there is something about eason that they didn't like and it took a while to come around. Maybe they gave the courtesy offer fully knowing he wouldn't take it?
I'm not going to sit here and say I know anything about eason vs fink and who's that much better. I would just wonder if pete had a strategy on it from teh get go. he doesn't seem like the type to wait on a kid who he really wants.
It's a weird narrative to spin that WDWHA given that Pete told Eason they wanted to see him in person first and that was going to be in their camp or whatever it was... then the saw that, offered him immediately and now WDWHA?
They didn't make a huge effort to go see Austin Joyner in person either... because there are no games to 'see' them in in the Spring.
Occam's Razor, yo. -
You follow this shit far more than most on this board(or seem more obsessed about poasting than others), so I was merely asking. I got no dog in the fight. Except I want browning to be god so I don't have to watch cyler throw one more deflated pigskin in a husky uni.
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Kim got rumors, gossip, and "inside info" from Sark and his staff. Kim is like a high school girl. Kim loves that kind of shit. Therefore, Kim really likes (and wants to suck on) Sark.Dennis_DeYoung said:Kim really likes Sark and irrationally defends him. Kim dislikes Pete and irrationally criticizes him.
That's what it is.
Kim doesn't get rumors, gossip, or "inside info" from Pete and his staff. Pete even laughs at Kim when he asks stupid fucking questions about access and how good new recruits are. Kim hates that because now the entire Husky community sees what a fraud Kim really is. Therefore, Kim hates Pete. -
I don't think it's a weird narrative to spin at all. I think @FreeChavez is on to something. I believe there is more to it than the info we're privy to. That doesn't mean that WDWHA. It means Petersen had more reservations about Eason than just seeing him throw in person (which is what I believe). That's obviously what they tell the recruit in that situation, but I'd be willing to bet that they used that as an excuse to basically do a background check. That's just my 2 cents.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Honestly, no.FreeChavez said:
So if he didn't make some sort of huge effort to go see him in person, doesn't that lead you to believe there is more to it than just coming in that late?Dennis_DeYoung said:
Pete offered him after he saw him throw in person. HTH.FreeChavez said:@Dennis_DeYoung Has anyone really ever put on the board that maybe pete doesn't see eason fitting what he wants to do with a team? My point has been peterson is successful by not only recruiting a certain kid mentally, he also recruits for a position that will succeed in a system he runs. I wonder if there is something about eason that they didn't like and it took a while to come around. Maybe they gave the courtesy offer fully knowing he wouldn't take it?
I'm not going to sit here and say I know anything about eason vs fink and who's that much better. I would just wonder if pete had a strategy on it from teh get go. he doesn't seem like the type to wait on a kid who he really wants.
It's a weird narrative to spin that WDWHA given that Pete told Eason they wanted to see him in person first and that was going to be in their camp or whatever it was... then the saw that, offered him immediately and now WDWHA?
They didn't make a huge effort to go see Austin Joyner in person either... because there are no games to 'see' them in in the Spring.
Occam's Razor, yo. -
Stop twisting. Kim says that subscriptions are going to go UP because the lack of access to the public means more doogs will be thirsty for "inside info" from the LPT. Sounds like a great business plan by Kim, just need to figure out that "inside info" part first..CheersWestDawg said:
Kim got rumors, gossip, and "inside info" from Sark and his staff. Kim is like a high school girl. Kim loves that kind of shit. Therefore, Kim really likes (and wants to suck on) Sark.Dennis_DeYoung said:Kim really likes Sark and irrationally defends him. Kim dislikes Pete and irrationally criticizes him.
That's what it is.
Kim doesn't get rumors, gossip, or "inside info" from Pete and his staff. Pete even laughs at Kim when he asks stupid fucking questions about access and how good new recruits are. Kim hates that because now the entire Husky community sees what a fraud Kim really is. Therefore, Kim hates Pete. -
This whole thing is weird to me. I've watched some pretty good high school QBs, but Eason is the only one that completely blew me away, and the game I watched him play was when he was a soph. He was throwing rockets all over the field, and I about shit my pants when I looked at the program and saw he was that young. It doesn't take long to see that he has superlative talent.
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Coaches are not infallible. That's my contribution. I never have gone for the old trust the coaches you're just a boner in your sweatpants loser in mom's basement even though that's true.
But Petermen gets to do it his way. He's earned that. He may think he blew it, he may think I had my reason, he may have tried and failed. Either way Eason is going to win enough games to almost win something big at Georgia but fall just short because Richt. -
"I talk to the coaches, you don't. Do you have any idea what the coaches are saying about Keith Price? There is no way Keith Price will ever beat out Nick Montana."
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Just what he's hearing.DerekJohnson said:"I talk to the coaches, you don't. Do you have any idea what the coaches are saying about Keith Price? There is no way Keith Price will ever beat out Nick Montana."
- Kim Grinolds to Derek Johnson in conversation, November 2010
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Derek this is coaching, grown men change their minds all the time. They were down on Price before they weren't. You also probably thought Baker was going to decommit from Oregon.DerekJohnson said:"I talk to the coaches, you don't. Do you have any idea what the coaches are saying about Keith Price? There is no way Keith Price will ever beat out Nick Montana."
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For the record, I was standing next to Skinny, his Dad, Taylor Barton and another Barton trainer, a former Husky LB whose name escapes me. They were happy Peterman had just called him or visited him or something but, he had his heart set on Georgia. All Peterman could do was get Skinny to withhold a public announcement to Georgia and give it more time.
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Are you Bill Fleenor?sarktastic said:For the record, I was standing next to Skinny, his Dad, Taylor Barton and another Barton trainer, a former Husky LB whose name escapes me. They were happy Peterman had just called him or visited him or something but, he had his heart set on Georgia. All Peterman could do was get Skinny to withhold a public announcement to Georgia and give it more time.
