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  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    2001400ex said:

    What no one disputes is that the situation at the ports is approaching gridlock. According to the Port of Oakland Tuesday, 10 to 15 ships “are anchored in San Francisco Bay daily awaiting berths at Oakland marine terminals.” Truckers are becoming increasingly frustrated at the wait times of eight hours or more to get into terminals and load or unload their cargo.

    Jesus Christ... how do you even function through daily living tasks?

  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Find a new business. Sorry.

    Many businesses are tied to the ports.

    Anything coming in from Asia is at the mercy of the ports.

    Are you saying that a load that is unloaded 8 hours later is going to sink your business? Adapt. Not everything is about instant gratification.
    You are so fucking ignorant ex. Shows your age. Ya know how many fucking businesses depend on timely port delivery for their time-specific inventory practices? Ya do know produce also moves tbrough our ports, seafood et..hit the gate, you're done here
    Funny how he won't explain how it affects his business. I'm glad you know everything about it.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Find a new business. Sorry.

    Many businesses are tied to the ports.

    Anything coming in from Asia is at the mercy of the ports.

    Are you saying that a load that is unloaded 8 hours later is going to sink your business? Adapt. Not everything is about instant gratification.
    You are so fucking ignorant ex. Shows your age. Ya know how many fucking businesses depend on timely port delivery for their time-specific inventory practices? Ya do know produce also moves tbrough our ports, seafood et..hit the gate, you're done here
    Funny how he won't explain how it affects his business. I'm glad you know everything about it.
    Funny how stupid you really are.
    All you've said is your load to KC is 50 days late. And unions are killing you. Oh yeah and those union employees make $250k a year, which is a lie.
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    edited January 2015
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Find a new business. Sorry.

    Many businesses are tied to the ports.

    Anything coming in from Asia is at the mercy of the ports.

    Are you saying that a load that is unloaded 8 hours later is going to sink your business? Adapt. Not everything is about instant gratification.
    You are so fucking ignorant ex. Shows your age. Ya know how many fucking businesses depend on timely port delivery for their time-specific inventory practices? Ya do know produce also moves tbrough our ports, seafood et..hit the gate, you're done here
    Funny how he won't explain how it affects his business. I'm glad you know everything about it.
    Funny how stupid you really are.
    All you've said is your load to KC is 50 days late. And unions are killing you. Oh yeah and those union employees make $250k a year, which is a lie.
    You, and your henchmen, should likely do some homework before you mock my facts.

    The average salary of a longshoreman (before overtime) is 80-160 a year, that does not include overtime.

    The work is often erratic, so you are then put in queue at the union hall, where you are paid.

    We won't discuss benefits, which are some of the best in the country.

    After overtime, bonus, and union perks, senior members will make, take home, 250k a year. That does not include benefits.

    For junior members it is less than 250k, throw in benefits and it more than most on this board make.

    Learn how unions really work, then come back and play tuff guy ... tuff guy.

    Found this on JOC.com ... for what it is worth:

    ILWU workers receive a compensation package that is “among the most lucrative among all blue-collar workers in the United States,” according to the PMA. Full-time workers earn an average of $142,000 annually in wages, along with a non-wage benefits package costing more than $82,000 per active worker per year. Pay ranges depend on the job, with regular longshoremen earning less than clerks and both of them earning less than foremen. According to the 2013 Pacific Maritime Association Annual Report, most of the 9,985 “Class A” longshoremen working that year, which comprised those who worked 2,000 or more total hours, earned roughly $137,000 per year, though many earned less and a few of the highest paid longshoremen, those who worked an average of more than 50 hours per week, earned over $200,000. Most clerks earned roughly $147,000, while the highest-paid earned well over $200,000 per year. Walking bosses, or foremen, are the highest-paid ILWU workers, many of them earning well over $200,000 and some more than $300,000. Nearly 13,600 ILWU workers are employed at West Coast ports. In 2013, the total payroll for the nearly 13,600 ILWU members was roughly $1.4 billion. For detail on ILWU worker incomes, see this display.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    so, now you're saying the average compensation package is $204,000? ... that isn't $250,000 pal.

    ... and you do realize HALF OF THE LONGSHOREMAN MAKE LESS THAN $204,000, right?

    ... Pacific Maritime Association is your source?
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838

    so, now you're saying the average compensation package is $204,000? ... that isn't $250,000 pal.

    ... and you do realize HALF OF THE LONGSHOREMAN MAKE LESS THAN $204,000, right?

    ... Pacific Maritime Association is your source?

    FMFYFE
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    jecornel said:

    Find a new business. Sorry.

    Many businesses are tied to the ports.

    Anything coming in from Asia is at the mercy of the ports.

    Are you saying that a load that is unloaded 8 hours later is going to sink your business? Adapt. Not everything is about instant gratification.
    You are so fucking ignorant ex. Shows your age. Ya know how many fucking businesses depend on timely port delivery for their time-specific inventory practices? Ya do know produce also moves tbrough our ports, seafood et..hit the gate, you're done here
    Funny how he won't explain how it affects his business. I'm glad you know everything about it.
    Funny how stupid you really are.
    All you've said is your load to KC is 50 days late. And unions are killing you. Oh yeah and those union employees make $250k a year, which is a lie.
    You, and your henchmen, should likely do some homework before you mock my facts.

    The average salary of a longshoreman (before overtime) is 80-160 a year, that does not include overtime.

    The work is often erratic, so you are then put in queue at the union hall, where you are paid.

    We won't discuss benefits, which are some of the best in the country.

    After overtime, bonus, and union perks, senior members will make, take home, 250k a year. That does not include benefits.

    For junior members it is less than 250k, throw in benefits and it more than most on this board make.

    Learn how unions really work, then come back and play tuff guy ... tuff guy.

    Found this on JOC.com ... for what it is worth:

    ILWU workers receive a compensation package that is “among the most lucrative among all blue-collar workers in the United States,” according to the PMA. Full-time workers earn an average of $142,000 annually in wages, along with a non-wage benefits package costing more than $82,000 per active worker per year. Pay ranges depend on the job, with regular longshoremen earning less than clerks and both of them earning less than foremen. According to the 2013 Pacific Maritime Association Annual Report, most of the 9,985 “Class A” longshoremen working that year, which comprised those who worked 2,000 or more total hours, earned roughly $137,000 per year, though many earned less and a few of the highest paid longshoremen, those who worked an average of more than 50 hours per week, earned over $200,000. Most clerks earned roughly $147,000, while the highest-paid earned well over $200,000 per year. Walking bosses, or foremen, are the highest-paid ILWU workers, many of them earning well over $200,000 and some more than $300,000. Nearly 13,600 ILWU workers are employed at West Coast ports. In 2013, the total payroll for the nearly 13,600 ILWU members was roughly $1.4 billion. For detail on ILWU worker incomes, see this display.
    Tldr

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Longshore_and_Warehouse_Union

    Riddle me this. You say you have a business, that relies on this port. Please explain how the wages and the union are "killing your business."
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,600
    We've been hit by the slowdown too. Fortunately we don't deal with food or crops but I feel for the farmers in WA who are trying to get product to Asia but it's rotting at the Port. If the product doesn't get to the customers, they don't get paid and that's a negative for WA state economic activity and the economic multiplier (farmer not getting paid means he may delay replacing his truck for a year and cuts back going out to eat which means the car-dealer and small restaurant owner don't get as much revenue which means...you get the point).

    The unions that are the worst are the ones that inexcusably can grab you by the balls: think public sector unions and longshoremen. At least Boeing is subject to external competition from Airbus, Embraer, Bombadier, and the Chinese may jump in too.

    So the problem with longshoremen is that you can't get around those turds. Maybe you can airship product in or out but depending on your product, that can cost 3x, 5x, or even 10x.

    If I was the Port Commissioner, I'd look into pulling a Reagan-like checkmate and fire all of them but the Commish may be bought by the union (just like the Seattle City Government).

    But if you want to be an especially stinky turd and really unAmerican, you become a Metro Bus driver. Someone did a public records request and found that about 30 bus drivers made over $100,000 in gross salary alone (base salary + OT) for sitting on their duffs and driving a bus around. The general rule of thumb is that public sector bennies (pension, early retirement, and gold plated healthcare) are equal to gross pay so these people are making as much as $260,000 in total compensation. If the city allowed competition and pulled the massive subsidies Metro receives, Metro would collapse.

    So yeah, captive audience unions suck and are essentially a tax on all Americans who are not in those unions (except for the politicians who get in bed with them and take their $$$$).
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    HFNY said:

    We've been hit by the slowdown too. Fortunately we don't deal with food or crops but I feel for the farmers in WA who are trying to get product to Asia but it's rotting at the Port. If the product doesn't get to the customers, they don't get paid and that's a negative for WA state economic activity and the economic multiplier (farmer not getting paid means he may delay replacing his truck for a year and cuts back going out to eat which means the car-dealer and small restaurant owner don't get as much revenue which means...you get the point).

    The unions that are the worst are the ones that inexcusably can grab you by the balls: think public sector unions and longshoremen. At least Boeing is subject to external competition from Airbus, Embraer, Bombadier, and the Chinese may jump in too.

    So the problem with longshoremen is that you can't get around those turds. Maybe you can airship product in or out but depending on your product, that can cost 3x, 5x, or even 10x.

    If I was the Port Commissioner, I'd look into pulling a Reagan-like checkmate and fire all of them but the Commish may be bought by the union (just like the Seattle City Government).

    But if you want to be an especially stinky turd and really unAmerican, you become a Metro Bus driver. Someone did a public records request and found that about 30 bus drivers made over $100,000 in gross salary alone (base salary + OT) for sitting on their duffs and driving a bus around. The general rule of thumb is that public sector bennies (pension, early retirement, and gold plated healthcare) are equal to gross pay so these people are making as much as $260,000 in total compensation. If the city allowed competition and pulled the massive subsidies Metro receives, Metro would collapse.

    So yeah, captive audience unions suck and are essentially a tax on all Americans who are not in those unions (except for the politicians who get in bed with them and take their $$$$).

    You make way too much sense, and seem to be educated.

    Who the fuck let you in.

    @DerekJohnson‌ time to close the gates!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HFNY said:

    We've been hit by the slowdown too. Fortunately we don't deal with food or crops but I feel for the farmers in WA who are trying to get product to Asia but it's rotting at the Port. If the product doesn't get to the customers, they don't get paid and that's a negative for WA state economic activity and the economic multiplier (farmer not getting paid means he may delay replacing his truck for a year and cuts back going out to eat which means the car-dealer and small restaurant owner don't get as much revenue which means...you get the point).

    The unions that are the worst are the ones that inexcusably can grab you by the balls: think public sector unions and longshoremen. At least Boeing is subject to external competition from Airbus, Embraer, Bombadier, and the Chinese may jump in too.

    So the problem with longshoremen is that you can't get around those turds. Maybe you can airship product in or out but depending on your product, that can cost 3x, 5x, or even 10x.

    If I was the Port Commissioner, I'd look into pulling a Reagan-like checkmate and fire all of them but the Commish may be bought by the union (just like the Seattle City Government).

    But if you want to be an especially stinky turd and really unAmerican, you become a Metro Bus driver. Someone did a public records request and found that about 30 bus drivers made over $100,000 in gross salary alone (base salary + OT) for sitting on their duffs and driving a bus around. The general rule of thumb is that public sector bennies (pension, early retirement, and gold plated healthcare) are equal to gross pay so these people are making as much as $260,000 in total compensation. If the city allowed competition and pulled the massive subsidies Metro receives, Metro would collapse.

    So yeah, captive audience unions suck and are essentially a tax on all Americans who are not in those unions (except for the politicians who get in bed with them and take their $$$$).

    Ok, so let's privatize everything and take away unions. The cost will be the exact same, just instead of going to blue collar workers, the money will go to the millionaire owner of the business. Another great way to transfer wealth from the middle class too the wealthy.

    And no, benefits are no where near 100% of income. Very doubtful they are over 30%. When people say benefits are that high, they are overinflating the amount of pension contributions. By a lot.
  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2015

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Again a one word response as you physically are just not smart enough to form an opinion, agree or disagree with someone with facts to back, make a rational statement in the form of a sentence, a paragraph to describe how you feel about a topic (football, business, politics etc.. )

    TommyHill, SAY FUCKING SOMETHING JUST ONCE!. Nobody knows where you stand on anything. You have three responses at HH: "whoosh", "boom roast" (wow, 2 words) and *fill in the blank*. Ex at least trys to bring something, and sometimes it makes sense although half-ass retarded most of the time.

    Ex is young which explains his, at times, fuckered outlook. You are not 18-19 so what is your excuse thomas????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    sometimes I genuinely want to know where you stand. Since you limped over from dawgman I've never seen you interject anything useful or constructive.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Again a one word response as you physically are just not smart enough to form an opinion, agree or disagree with someone with facts to back, make a rational statement in the form of a sentence, a paragraph to describe how you feel about a topic (football, business, politics etc.. )

    TommyHill, SAY FUCKING SOMETHING JUST ONCE!. Nobody knows where you stand on anything. You have three responses at HH: "whoosh", "boom roast" (wow, 2 words) and *fill in the blank*. Ex at least trys to bring something, and sometimes it makes sense although half-ass retarded most of the time.

    Ex is young which explains his, at times, fuckered outlook. You are not 18-19 so what is your excuse thomas????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    sometimes I genuinely want to know where you stand. Since you limped over from dawgman I've never seen you interject anything useful or constructive.
    How does if feel to be TommyHill's bitch?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Again a one word response as you physically are just not smart enough to form an opinion, agree or disagree with someone with facts to back, make a rational statement in the form of a sentence, a paragraph to describe how you feel about a topic (football, business, politics etc.. )

    TommyHill, SAY FUCKING SOMETHING JUST ONCE!. Nobody knows where you stand on anything. You have three responses at HH: "whoosh", "boom roast" (wow, 2 words) and *fill in the blank*. Ex at least trys to bring something, and sometimes it makes sense although half-ass retarded most of the time.

    Ex is young which explains his, at times, fuckered outlook. You are not 18-19 so what is your excuse thomas????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    sometimes I genuinely want to know where you stand. Since you limped over from dawgman I've never seen you interject anything useful or constructive.
    A one word response that says nothing is much better than a tldr response that says nothing.

    HTH
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Someone lacks real world experience

    *swoon*
    Ever have an opinion on a topic or just 1-word cavetalk. Getting older by the day . Cant figure who's more fagtarted, Ex or Tom?
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Again a one word response as you physically are just not smart enough to form an opinion, agree or disagree with someone with facts to back, make a rational statement in the form of a sentence, a paragraph to describe how you feel about a topic (football, business, politics etc.. )

    TommyHill, SAY FUCKING SOMETHING JUST ONCE!. Nobody knows where you stand on anything. You have three responses at HH: "whoosh", "boom roast" (wow, 2 words) and *fill in the blank*. Ex at least trys to bring something, and sometimes it makes sense although half-ass retarded most of the time.

    Ex is young which explains his, at times, fuckered outlook. You are not 18-19 so what is your excuse thomas????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    sometimes I genuinely want to know where you stand. Since you limped over from dawgman I've never seen you interject anything useful or constructive.
    Let me help you out...

    I made a post in response to Race, to honor an old time joke between us from the old Half Brain days (that's why he awesome'd it). And then your limp dick didn't get it (cuz you're NOT a HHB) so you turned to your boring ass repertoire of homophobic bullshit.

    Since you didn't get the joke, I whooooshed your bitch ass. A whoosh is when a joke goes over an idiots head. In this case you are the idiot.

    Get it now, Bran Stark?

    PS

    Go cry to DJ (ILTCHT) some more you little pussy. Go cry to your guilt ridden daddy and pray that I never meet you in real life and take you to an away game at Autzen and give you a ride on the stairs. Actually, I'd be doing the world a favor, so let's make it happen.

    DIAFF.

    BOOM, roasted!

    image
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    @topdawgnc‌ still waiting for you to explain how this is killing your business. All you've done is whine about excessive pay like a jealous bitch.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,357 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    HFNY said:

    We've been hit by the slowdown too. Fortunately we don't deal with food or crops but I feel for the farmers in WA who are trying to get product to Asia but it's rotting at the Port. If the product doesn't get to the customers, they don't get paid and that's a negative for WA state economic activity and the economic multiplier (farmer not getting paid means he may delay replacing his truck for a year and cuts back going out to eat which means the car-dealer and small restaurant owner don't get as much revenue which means...you get the point).

    The unions that are the worst are the ones that inexcusably can grab you by the balls: think public sector unions and longshoremen. At least Boeing is subject to external competition from Airbus, Embraer, Bombadier, and the Chinese may jump in too.

    So the problem with longshoremen is that you can't get around those turds. Maybe you can airship product in or out but depending on your product, that can cost 3x, 5x, or even 10x.

    If I was the Port Commissioner, I'd look into pulling a Reagan-like checkmate and fire all of them but the Commish may be bought by the union (just like the Seattle City Government).

    But if you want to be an especially stinky turd and really unAmerican, you become a Metro Bus driver. Someone did a public records request and found that about 30 bus drivers made over $100,000 in gross salary alone (base salary + OT) for sitting on their duffs and driving a bus around. The general rule of thumb is that public sector bennies (pension, early retirement, and gold plated healthcare) are equal to gross pay so these people are making as much as $260,000 in total compensation. If the city allowed competition and pulled the massive subsidies Metro receives, Metro would collapse.

    So yeah, captive audience unions suck and are essentially a tax on all Americans who are not in those unions (except for the politicians who get in bed with them and take their $$$$).

    Ok, so let's privatize everything and take away unions. The cost will be the exact same, just instead of going to blue collar workers, the money will go to the millionaire owner of the business. Another great way to transfer wealth from the middle class too the wealthy.

    And no, benefits are no where near 100% of income. Very doubtful they are over 30%. When people say benefits are that high, they are overinflating the amount of pension contributions. By a lot.
    Jesus, Comrade.
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