Does anyone think the up-tempo offense will mask our O-line?
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Works for Oregon.
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No. The OL will perform how they perform regardless of what offense is being run. You can't mask your OL play with a different scheme, in fact, it might make it look even worse.
I'm sure it will make a nice excuse, though. "We are need more time to get these guys understanding the new offense and the blocking schemes." Or something along those lines. Remember all that shit Sark talked about running a pro-style offense in order to prepare our guys for the NFL? What happened to that? -
If Price is throwing the football as soon as it reaches his hands, defenses will be quick to adjust and really get up on the receivers. And then Kasen's inability to create separation could become a true liability. Especially if the running game doesn't loosen things up.
I still think Mickens will emerge as a playmaker and obviously ASJ's height is a great weapon for delivering quick throws. -
Who's Emptman?
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It works for Oregon because their players are very well-coached in blocking and staying true to their assignments. . .everyone operates at a high level. It was Kelly's "attention-to-detail" that made it work. Haven't seen that from Sark yet.dtd said:Works for Oregon.
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UA and UO have stellar run games causing the D to tire and then they mix in the pass quite well.
It will work if UW emphasizes the run more and there is no excuse not to do so considering you have strong tailback depth (Taylor, Washington, Callier) and the TE & WRs who should be strong blockers. If you are serious about being a tough team then commit to the run. If effective, passing yards might dip a bit but yards per attempt should be quite high.
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This is why I think OL recruiting/player development is so important. I feel like you can mask average WR's(James era and the 2000 RB title team are proof of that), you can even mask an average RB(rankin had a big year for UW), in college you can mask an average QB if he's smart.
On offense though you can't mask an average to bad OL. They will always be exposed if they are bad. It won't matter what offense you run your OL will be exposed.
Besides Price isn't the type of QB like a Wilson or even a Locker who can "mask" the OL far as sacks given up. The OL will be terrible this year and the no huddle should hurt them as you are running more plays. Just more opportunities to fuck it up. -
Nice post, Passion. I think the OL can be masked by getting the ball out quick from the shotgun. Problem is, it always comes back to the OL.
As good as Oregon has been, when they have faced a dominant DL, they have struggled. Stanford, Auburn, LSU, and Ohio State showed the blueprint. The hurry up doesn't matter when the DL is dominating the OL. I think we can mask some OL issues against average teams, but when we play the big boys, they are still gonna fuck us up. -
Nick Holt showed the blueprint in 2010. Auburn better give Holt a national championship ring as they owe him!RoadDawg55 said:Nice post, Passion. I think the OL can be masked by getting the ball out quick from the shotgun. Problem is, it always comes back to the OL.
As good as Oregon has been, when they have faced a dominant DL, they have struggled. Stanford, Auburn, LSU, and Ohio State showed the blueprint. The hurry up doesn't matter when the DL is dominating the OL. I think we can mask some OL issues against average teams, but when we play the big boys, they are still gonna fuck us up.
Then same fans a year later "Fire Holt! He's a fucking moron!" -
Out of all the plunger rapes, that one was acutally my favorite. We played Oregon pretty tough in the first half, despite no Locker and Kearse dropping a 50 yard bomb on the first play. It helped us won the next 4.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Nick Holt showed the blueprint in 2010. Auburn better give Holt a national championship ring as they owe him!RoadDawg55 said:Nice post, Passion. I think the OL can be masked by getting the ball out quick from the shotgun. Problem is, it always comes back to the OL.
As good as Oregon has been, when they have faced a dominant DL, they have struggled. Stanford, Auburn, LSU, and Ohio State showed the blueprint. The hurry up doesn't matter when the DL is dominating the OL. I think we can mask some OL issues against average teams, but when we play the big boys, they are still gonna fuck us up.
Then same fans a year later "Fire Holt! He's a fucking moron!"
On another note, Holt still sucked. Foster was a top 5 defensive player in the coy try, Ta'Amu was a beast when he wanted to be, and Victor A was a playmaker. A good coach would have had at least a top 30 defense with those guys.
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A little, maybe. You still have to pass block at times. We can't come close.
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Not sure why you would want to get in a track meet with the teams in this conference. I would have swung the pendulum more in the direction of Stanford with a more threatening passing game.
But it is not my job on the line.
As for the Oline, 72 sacks over the last 2 seasons does not fill me with confidence. -
Up tempo for this group means lots of three and outs, plus a gassed defense. Sark is getting too cute. Simplify the offense and game plan to the strengths of the team or perish.
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Mickens is still having drop problems as per the practice reports...looks like John Ross could take his spot.DerekJohnson said:If Price is throwing the football as soon as it reaches his hands, defenses will be quick to adjust and really get up on the receivers. And then Kasen's inability to create separation could become a true liability. Especially if the running game doesn't loosen things up.
I still think Mickens will emerge as a playmaker and obviously ASJ's height is a great weapon for delivering quick throws.
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Mickens will RISE to the occasionHeretoBeatmyChest said:
Mickens is still having drop problems as per the practice reports...looks like John Ross could take his spot.DerekJohnson said:If Price is throwing the football as soon as it reaches his hands, defenses will be quick to adjust and really get up on the receivers. And then Kasen's inability to create separation could become a true liability. Especially if the running game doesn't loosen things up.
I still think Mickens will emerge as a playmaker and obviously ASJ's height is a great weapon for delivering quick throws. -
I would like to get excited about Ross, but I remember the reports on Mickens from last year saying the same things.
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THIS.RoadDawg55 said:I would like to get excited about Ross, but I remember the reports on Mickens from last year saying the same things.
The only thing that gives me a little more confidence is that Ross was a lot more highly rated (top 100 vs top 300). But still, I'm gonna have to see it on the field.
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I never assumed anything great about Mickens last year...maybe because I place 0 validity to dawgman practice reports and instead pay attention to the reports of the beat writers.
There's only been a handful of practices so far but sounds like Ross has stood out in every practice. But yes we won't know until after a few games.
Perhaps Mickens just beat guys with his speed in HS and isn't a natural catch and run type of guy whereas it sounds like that is what Ross does best. -
Mickens is the next Jordan Polk. He'll be suddenly seniored going into 2015.
I don't have much faith in a kid who can't catch. Sure he has speed much like J.Polk did but he doesn't appear to be a WR. With Ross, Daniels, Stringfellow coming in plus Taylor back to WR. Not to mention Sark is always bringing in 4 star WR's it's now time for Mickens.
As always I hope I'm wrong on this kid would be nice to see someone in this program make a big leap for once. -
Next Jordan Polk??? Mickens had 20 catches despite the drops in his frosh year. Polk didn't have 20 catches in 3 years.He_Needs_More_Time said:Mickens is the next Jordan Polk. He'll be suddenly seniored going into 2015.
I don't have much faith in a kid who can't catch. Sure he has speed much like J.Polk did but he doesn't appear to be a WR. With Ross, Daniels, Stringfellow coming in plus Taylor back to WR. Not to mention Sark is always bringing in 4 star WR's it's now time for Mickens.
As always I hope I'm wrong on this kid would be nice to see someone in this program make a big leap for once.
And once again you claim no one has developed in this program.
How do you see your screen with all the shit piled up from your keyboard?
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"My offense has withstood the test of time." - Steve Sarkisian 2009-2012PurpleJ said:No. The OL will perform how they perform regardless of what offense is being run. You can't mask your OL play with a different scheme, in fact, it might make it look even worse.
I'm sure it will make a nice excuse, though. "We are need more time to get these guys understanding the new offense and the blocking schemes." Or something along those lines. Remember all that shit Sark talked about running a pro-style offense in order to prepare our guys for the NFL? What happened to that?
He doesn't seem to be saying this anymore.
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I wish our media wasn't so worried about access and do their fucking jobs. I'd love for them to bring up that quote to Sark and ask him what has changed?RoadDawg55 said:
"My offense has withstood the test of time." - Steve Sarkisian 2009-2012PurpleJ said:No. The OL will perform how they perform regardless of what offense is being run. You can't mask your OL play with a different scheme, in fact, it might make it look even worse.
I'm sure it will make a nice excuse, though. "We are need more time to get these guys understanding the new offense and the blocking schemes." Or something along those lines. Remember all that shit Sark talked about running a pro-style offense in order to prepare our guys for the NFL? What happened to that?
He doesn't seem to be saying this anymore. -
20 catches in 13 games isn't impressive.IrishDawg22 said:
Next Jordan Polk??? Mickens had 20 catches despite the drops in his frosh year. Polk didn't have 20 catches in 3 years.He_Needs_More_Time said:Mickens is the next Jordan Polk. He'll be suddenly seniored going into 2015.
I don't have much faith in a kid who can't catch. Sure he has speed much like J.Polk did but he doesn't appear to be a WR. With Ross, Daniels, Stringfellow coming in plus Taylor back to WR. Not to mention Sark is always bringing in 4 star WR's it's now time for Mickens.
As always I hope I'm wrong on this kid would be nice to see someone in this program make a big leap for once.
And once again you claim no one has developed in this program.
How do you see your screen with all the shit piled up from your keyboard?
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Indeed. However, it does mask talent deficiencies for Oregon.tracker said:
It works for Oregon because their players are very well-coached in blocking and staying true to their assignments. . .everyone operates at a high level. It was Kelly's "attention-to-detail" that made it work. Haven't seen that from Sark yet.dtd said:Works for Oregon.
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I watch lots of video on young black men, and Ross looks like a stud. Oregon wanted him badly. For football.RoadDawg55 said:I would like to get excited about Ross, but I remember the reports on Mickens from last year saying the same things.
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Mickens in 13 games(most of which were starts) in a passing offense only had 20 receptions for 190 yards(9.5 YPC) with a touchdown.IrishDawg22 said:
Next Jordan Polk??? Mickens had 20 catches despite the drops in his frosh year. Polk didn't have 20 catches in 3 years.He_Needs_More_Time said:Mickens is the next Jordan Polk. He'll be suddenly seniored going into 2015.
I don't have much faith in a kid who can't catch. Sure he has speed much like J.Polk did but he doesn't appear to be a WR. With Ross, Daniels, Stringfellow coming in plus Taylor back to WR. Not to mention Sark is always bringing in 4 star WR's it's now time for Mickens.
As always I hope I'm wrong on this kid would be nice to see someone in this program make a big leap for once.
And once again you claim no one has developed in this program.
How do you see your screen with all the shit piled up from your keyboard?
He wasn't very good at all. -
Oh come on, do you have any idea how young he is?He_Needs_More_Time said:
Mickens in 13 games(most of which were starts) in a passing offense only had 20 receptions for 190 yards(9.5 YPC) with a touchdown.IrishDawg22 said:
Next Jordan Polk??? Mickens had 20 catches despite the drops in his frosh year. Polk didn't have 20 catches in 3 years.He_Needs_More_Time said:Mickens is the next Jordan Polk. He'll be suddenly seniored going into 2015.
I don't have much faith in a kid who can't catch. Sure he has speed much like J.Polk did but he doesn't appear to be a WR. With Ross, Daniels, Stringfellow coming in plus Taylor back to WR. Not to mention Sark is always bringing in 4 star WR's it's now time for Mickens.
As always I hope I'm wrong on this kid would be nice to see someone in this program make a big leap for once.
And once again you claim no one has developed in this program.
How do you see your screen with all the shit piled up from your keyboard?
He wasn't very good at all. -
Well no shit time-needer. Football has always been about the point-of-attack. The OL and TEs !!! Dave Janoski was aHe_Needs_More_Time said:This is why I think OL recruiting/player development is so important. I feel like you can mask average WR's(James era and the 2000 RB title team are proof of that), you can even mask an average RB(rankin had a big year for UW), in college you can mask an average QB if he's smart.
On offense though you can't mask an average to bad OL. They will always be exposed if they are bad. It won't matter what offense you run your OL will be exposed.
Besides Price isn't the type of QB like a Wilson or even a Locker who can "mask" the OL far as sacks given up. The OL will be terrible this year and the no huddle should hurt them as you are running more plays. Just more opportunities to fuck it up.
our featured wide receiver for f*** sake. nothing has changed except our head coach and the quality of oline recruiting.
Ill take Janoski and that Oline anyday over the 14 fucking WR's we have on the roster. Sark has his head so far up his stinkhole he doesn't know if he's running or throwing.
at USC it was quite simple. run the f****** football. student body right. then burn people with Dwayne Jarrett on f****** crossing routes and corner posts. It was such a simple offense and they just flat beat up everybody they played because the oline just crushed the guys in front of them.
UW hasn't been able to do that because Sark hasn't recruited those types of athletes to man the point of attack, so he has to get cute and throw the ball all over the yard. Jesus Sark, call your old buddy Nuss, go visit an Alabama practice. Refresh your memory on what it takes to be a consistent winner at this level.
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I prefer the Todd Elstrom being the #1 WR on the 2000 team as an example of line play over WR's. The Lambright coached Janoski teams were not that great, and are not the best example considering they never really won anything.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Well no shit time-needer. Football has always been about the point-of-attack. The OL and TEs !!! Dave Janoski was aHe_Needs_More_Time said:This is why I think OL recruiting/player development is so important. I feel like you can mask average WR's(James era and the 2000 RB title team are proof of that), you can even mask an average RB(rankin had a big year for UW), in college you can mask an average QB if he's smart.
On offense though you can't mask an average to bad OL. They will always be exposed if they are bad. It won't matter what offense you run your OL will be exposed.
Besides Price isn't the type of QB like a Wilson or even a Locker who can "mask" the OL far as sacks given up. The OL will be terrible this year and the no huddle should hurt them as you are running more plays. Just more opportunities to fuck it up.
our featured wide receiver for f*** sake. nothing has changed except our head coach and the quality of oline recruiting.
Ill take Janoski and that Oline anyday over the 14 fucking WR's we have on the roster. Sark has his head so far up his stinkhole he doesn't know if he's running or throwing.
at USC it was quite simple. run the f****** football. student body right. then burn people with Dwayne Jarrett on f****** crossing routes and corner posts. It was such a simple offense and they just flat beat up everybody they played because the oline just crushed the guys in front of them.
UW hasn't been able to do that because Sark hasn't recruited those types of athletes to man the point of attack, so he has to get cute and throw the ball all over the yard. Jesus Sark, call your old buddy Nuss, go visit an Alabama practice. Refresh your memory on what it takes to be a consistent winner at this level.
I do agree with the rest of your post. The problem is, Sark has assembled a bunch of yes men to compose his offensive coaching staff. Nobody reigns him in like Carroll did at USC. He is incredibly predictable as well. If he has an incomplete pass on first down, he runs on second down. If our defense forces a turnover, he tries to go deep every time (This drives me crazy!)
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PurpleJ said:
No. The OL will perform how they perform regardless of what offense is being run. You can't mask your OL play with a different scheme, in fact, it might make it look even worse.
I'm sure it will make a nice excuse, though. "We are need more time to get these guys understanding the new offense and the blocking schemes." Or something along those lines. Remember all that shit Sark talked about running a pro-style offense in order to prepare our guys for the NFL? What happened to that?</</b>blockquote>
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