SEC bias forever
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Fuck I bet you Vegas starts that line at about Oregon -7 over TCU if they both get 2-3 seeds... Start Oregon out over a TD and let the money fall.
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Oregon would have beat TCU earlier in the year ... TCU's defense is much better now. I do think that the defensive quality is what would separate TCU in the game.
TCU's defense is what the program has been built on - particularly against the run. The program has a long history of shutting down great running attacks whether it be Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma, containing CJ Spiller in Clemson, or slowing down a very physical running attack in Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
The weakness of the TCU defense is that there is an ability to beat them over the top in the passing game. Oklahoma stayed close in the game with those kind of plays (otherwise TCU beat them about as bad as Baylor did) and Baylor's offense started turning into Petty throwing a lot of jump balls that they came down with enough of.
It's one of the reasons I really want to see TCU face Oregon is because of their ability to stop the run. Their front four is primarily asked to take up blockers to allow the LBs to penetrate and make tackles while their changing looks in the secondary always results in at least 1-2 of them flashing into the backfield to stop the run. The confusion that they create defensively often messes with offenses. Oregon's strength isn't necessarily in dropping back in the passing game and it's no secret that the route tree that Oregon runs isn't particularly diverse.
I think it would be a very good game, but I think TCU wins the game in the 38-28 or 38-31 range. -
No way. Mariota is the best they've had in the modern era. Thomas was an underrated passer, I'll give you that, but he was nothing near Mariota on the ground, and leadership isn't even a conversation. The receivers are better - MUCH better, and the running game isn't close. There are guys on this roster who would have at least shared serious time with, La Mike, who are now watching most of the game from the sidelines. Marshall would not have been moved to slot on that team. No way. It's not just the yards ... it's the nature of the yards. Oregon doesn't have to create as much space for Freeman as they did James and Barner. It's a much different game for this offense because that kid has size, speed and vision and runs pissed off.RaceBannon said:I also think Chip's team that played for the title is better than this year. I'm not worshipping Mariota just yet.
Oregon kills TCU. FSU is a toss up and Bama a 7 point favorite
Defensively it's a toss up, though there is no Dion Jordan or Michael Clay on this squad (can't remember if either of them played on the title team), there are more difference makers on this D overall than on that Oregon team. The corners on this team are better for sure, and I'll take Jargan over any safety Oregon's had a long time. -
Auburn maybe. I think Oregon is faster than both Mississippis, and none of them have a QB like Mariota, including Bama, and I'd take Freeman over any RB in the SEC not named Todd Gurley.RaceBannon said:Bama plays more teams like Oregon now as well.
I guess we'll see. Just as we say with Florida State, there are two Oregon teams. One that shows up focused and ready to play, and one that doesn't. The one that shows up ready to play can, I think, go toe to toe with Bama even if they're playing their game. Could be wrong but I think it's there. -
So is Royce Freeman.topdawgnc said:Marriott is the difference in the games Oregon plays.
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I think we're on our own on this one bud.Tequilla said:Oregon would have beat TCU earlier in the year ... TCU's defense is much better now. I do think that the defensive quality is what would separate TCU in the game.
TCU's defense is what the program has been built on - particularly against the run. The program has a long history of shutting down great running attacks whether it be Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma, containing CJ Spiller in Clemson, or slowing down a very physical running attack in Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
The weakness of the TCU defense is that there is an ability to beat them over the top in the passing game. Oklahoma stayed close in the game with those kind of plays (otherwise TCU beat them about as bad as Baylor did) and Baylor's offense started turning into Petty throwing a lot of jump balls that they came down with enough of.
It's one of the reasons I really want to see TCU face Oregon is because of their ability to stop the run. Their front four is primarily asked to take up blockers to allow the LBs to penetrate and make tackles while their changing looks in the secondary always results in at least 1-2 of them flashing into the backfield to stop the run. The confusion that they create defensively often messes with offenses. Oregon's strength isn't necessarily in dropping back in the passing game and it's no secret that the route tree that Oregon runs isn't particularly diverse.
I think it would be a very good game, but I think TCU wins the game in the 38-28 or 38-31 range. -
Gun to my head or I'm betting:
bammer
fsu
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the ohio state
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Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit. -
It's always more about what we are doing (or for the last 10+ years what we haven't been doing) than anything that Oregon is doing.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit. -
Other than the fact that Helfrich has already proven himself to be a good recruiter, I hear what you're saying.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit.
One of the great myths about Kelly. He had a rep as a bit lazy in recruiting and had a very hard time puckering up for 18 year olds who think their shit smells good. The guy is a brilliant program builder and great game day coach. He's a great CEO. But not all of them are great recruiters, and I don't know that he was. Only the insiders really know, but for all we know, Helfrich was the one getting it done. He's certainly doing ok right now.
Anyway, we all know who found and landed Royce Freeman, and it wasn't chip. That kid is going to rape the Pac 12 for two more seasons before he's done.
