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  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
    Two outta three sanctioned, it's gonna be interesting.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 108,152 Founders Club
    Canard said:

    Two outta three sanctioned, it's gonna be interesting.

    Glass house much?
  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504

    Canard said:

    Two outta three sanctioned, it's gonna be interesting.

    Glass house much?
    All the time.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    "Once things get going we will see a tough team that focuses on every little detail, that works hard and out executes other teams. We saw glimpses of this on Saturday, and I am excited to see that more and more going forward."

    I feel like I am being wooshed by 81% of the board based on the reactions to the Arizona game.

    13 penalties for 111
    3 key turnovers
    poor game management

    It was a very sloppy performance vs. a VERY AVERAGE Arizona team Coaches-ranked #13 Team in the Country. It was very disappointing to lose a winnable match up due to ONE fumble by our Sr. RB when it was already won.

  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Canard said:

    Or, sometimes, a program's "franchise QB" makes an ordinary coach look great. After all, isn't that the rap on helfried, that Mariota is "masking" sling blade's presumed incompetence? Shaw's hot start seems to have been courtesy of Andrew Luck.

    It isn't farfetched at all that perhaps it was Moore, rather than Petersen, that got the latter his retirement checks from montlake.

    What's Gene Chizik doing these days?

    so.. Luke Falk's Heisman run is gonna save Leach's career at WSU?

  • HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    Canard said:

    Two outta three sanctioned, it's gonna be interesting.

    If you didn't get sanctions you aren't trying.
  • IrishDawg22IrishDawg22 Member Posts: 2,754

    "Once things get going we will see a tough team that focuses on every little detail, that works hard and out executes other teams. We saw glimpses of this on Saturday, and I am excited to see that more and more going forward."

    I feel like I am being wooshed by 81% of the board based on the reactions to the Arizona game.

    13 penalties for 111
    3 key turnovers
    poor game management

    It was a very sloppy performance vs. a VERY AVERAGE Arizona team Coaches-ranked #13 Team in the Country. It was very disappointing to lose a winnable match up due to ONE fumble by our Sr. RB when it was already won.

    UTSA, Nevada and Cal disapprove of your changes. As does Seven and his Trojan powerhouse.
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    Wait so am I supposed to LIFPO or blindly believe that Peterman is doing things the right way?

    Great Doogally Moogally

    I must not be digging deep enough...
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,995 Standard Supporter

    Canard said:

    Or, sometimes, a program's "franchise QB" makes an ordinary coach look great. After all, isn't that the rap on helfried, that Mariota is "masking" sling blade's presumed incompetence? Shaw's hot start seems to have been courtesy of Andrew Luck.

    It isn't farfetched at all that perhaps it was Moore, rather than Petersen, that got the latter his retirement checks from montlake.

    What's Gene Chizik doing these days?

    so.. Luke Falk's Heisman run is gonna save Leach's career at WSU?

    Leechs never-ending contract is gonna save Leechs career at WSU.

  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,627 Founders Club
    Canard said:

    It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.

    So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence.

    A little simplistic, don't you think?
  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
    Nah. Gotta keep it simple around here.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,251

    Canard said:

    It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.

    So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence.

    A little simplistic, don't you think?
    I think the word is "simple".

    And yes - he is.

  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
    dflea said:

    Canard said:

    It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.

    So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence.

    A little simplistic, don't you think?
    I think the word is "simple".

    And yes - he is.

    No one is more simple than you are.

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  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    Canard said:

    Or, sometimes, a program's "franchise QB" makes an ordinary coach look great. After all, isn't that the rap on helfried, that Mariota is "masking" sling blade's presumed incompetence? Shaw's hot start seems to have been courtesy of Andrew Luck.

    It isn't farfetched at all that perhaps it was Moore, rather than Petersen, that got the latter his retirement checks from montlake.

    What's Gene Chizik doing these days?

    Always amused you discount a guy who won 88% of his games as a head coach.

    Yet, put all your faith in a lifetime assistant who is surfing in the wake of one of the greatest PAC coaches ever.

    If Slingblade is smart he has rented an apartment in Columbus and is showing game film to Braxton Miller ... or we will all be poasting about his greatest run being with Marriott.

    Wouldn't hurt to be saving some of those checks Chip wrote and pass them along to Braxton too ... but in the form of coffee or cash ... checks are to traceable.
  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
    I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.

    Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.

    That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.

    I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.

    Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.

    Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.

    But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    Canard said:

    I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.

    Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.

    That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.

    I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.

    Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.

    Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.

    But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.

    And Steve Empterman was a 1 star recruit.
  • CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
    Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838
    edited November 2014
    Canard said:

    Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.

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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Canard said:

    I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.

    Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.

    That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.

    I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.

    Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.

    Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.

    But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.

    Helfrich deserves credit, although the true test will be the next two years. Larry Coker and the others kept it going for a few years before failing. Give it another year or two before popping off.

    I can't argue about Petersen. Many are stuck on his resume, but the Boise coaches before him were successful and didn't succeed at their next stops.

    There are many other coaches with great previous resumes that ended up failing. Rich Rodriguez at Michigan is another example. No coaching hire is a guarantee, especially ones from lower levels.
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