Arizona State

dhdawg

who said we aren't going to have a tough time? ASU on the aggregate is the far superior team, but we are at home, and aren't a horrible football team

dhdawg

RoadDawg55 said:

MikeDamone said:

dhdawg said:

Yep, getting plungered by a good but totally beatable ASU team at home is okay. And I'm the doog

No. Overlooking UW deficiencies and having no other reason but hope makes you a Doog.

It's not overlooking UW's deficiencies. We aren't good. We aren't terrible either. It's a tough, but winnable game. Do you watch any football other than UW games? Have you watched ASU this season? Could you name 3 players on ASU without looking it up?

he doesn't even watch UW football games, doesn't like watching his team lose

doogsinparadise

dhdawg said:

who said we aren't going to have a tough time? ASU on the aggregate is the far superior team, but we are at home, and aren't a horrible football team

Disagree.

Sundevil76

Stanford suffered its worst lost of the season against ASU by far when comparing the Irish and USC loses. Hogan did not score a touchdown until far in the second half and it was not that close. ASU's most complete game with the defense showing a lot of growth. The Dawgs could not get it done at home with the Trees and looking at the performance against the Ducks, the two teams appear to be going in opposite directions right now. ASU had no injuries coming out of Saturday but it appears the Huskies have a number, especially on the offense?

whatshouldicareabout

Sundevil76 said:

My first impression is a number all of you have not watched ASU play this year or realize we have beat you Gilbertson and Willingham a number of times in Seattle, even in the rain with Ericson. ASU has a young defense, more first year starters and true freshman than anyone in the league but don't ask Mike Leach or any doog that. The Devils have improved since UCLA on defense a good deal which was also our 2nd string QB's first start, with Kelly going down because it's pretty hard to get worse, amirite? How would you do with a second third string QB with his first game being UCLA Hawaii, he did throw for over 600 yards in a moral loss. You can't run when you get down big early at all.

Crisped that for ya.

Then my hands got tired and I needed a drink.

whatshouldicareabout

Sundevil76 said:

Stanford suffered its worst lost of the season against ASU by far when comparing the Irish and USC loses. Hogan did not score a touchdown until far in the second half and it was not that close. ASU's most complete game with the defense showing a lot of growth. The Dawgs could not get it done at home with the Trees and looking at the performance against the Ducks, the two teams appear to be going in opposite directions right now. ASU had no injuries coming out of Saturday but it appears the Huskies have a number, especially on the offense?

You had a bye week to prep for your revenge game against Stanford, the team that beat you twice last year.

Stanford had a bye week before us and worked on defending the fake punt 20 times a day for 2 weeks.

Also, your last statement is probably a good thing for us.

dhdawg

doogsinparadise said:

dhdawg said:

who said we aren't going to have a tough time? ASU on the aggregate is the far superior team, but we are at home, and aren't a horrible football team

Disagree.

in comparison to the rest of the pac-12 we aren't. we are mediocre, just like everyone in the conference sans Oregon, and maybe a couple other teams.

ElvisDevil

Very tough road game for ASU. I though a few weeks ago these were similar teams, good offense/bad defense vs good defense/bad offense. Watching the Huskies this year it does seem like a team that is struggling a little with it's identity. I have no idea how good they really are which I guess is normal with a first year coach.

As of today Kelly is not totally healthy but improving daily. If he starts who knows what you get after not playing for 6 weeks. Peterson is a very good game coach, one of the best, talent is relatively close. You probably see a close game into the fourth quarter. Wouldn't read too much into the debacle at Oregon. We had one of those this year and have been much better since

Was reading some of the comments on former Boise coaches. Dirk Koetter I thought was a good football coach. He knew football but one his big problems was he brought too many assistants with him from BSU. The defensive staff and recruiting coordinator (running backs coach) were terrible. By the time he figured it out and got new blood in there it was too late. Do know that Peterson is loyal to is staff but don't know if that is an issue. Do think long term the hire was very good. Much better than Mora.

doogsinparadise

We have an overrated defense, and the 10th or 11th best offense in the league. We (ILTSW) suck.

HeretoBeatmyChest

Sundevil76 said:

Stanford suffered its worst lost of the season against ASU by far when comparing the Irish and USC loses. Hogan did not score a touchdown until far in the second half and it was not that close. ASU's most complete game with the defense showing a lot of growth. The Dawgs could not get it done at home with the Trees and looking at the performance against the Ducks, the two teams appear to be going in opposite directions right now. ASU had no injuries coming out of Saturday but it appears the Huskies have a number, especially on the offense?

If you want to cite UW-Stanford from three weeks ago then can we cite ASU losing by 35 at home to a team that Oregon plungered and barely beat Cal?

UW will be vulnerable to any team with a high powered offense, as the defense is its strength and it won't be able to come back from deficits. I think ASU has the 2nd best offense in the league but theres a reason the spread is only 2.5. ASU has had no run game without Kelly as Foster is not an every down between the tackles back. ASU's OL has improved statistically but its certainly not close to what Oregon had the past two weeks. The previous two weeks Oregon was playing a 3rd string guy at LT and was missing another starter.

UW's DL will have the advantage against ASU's OL because they don't have AA's like Grasu and Fisher that can slow Shelton and Kikaha. ASU will face the best pass rush its seen all year. Marcus Peters will guard Strong but I do give ASU's receivers the advantage in the pass game.

UW's offense will be uncertain until game time. Not sure who the QB will be or if the regular backs will play. UW's plan will be to get 7-10 points off turnovers, have John Ross account for a TD and have the offense account for another 7-10 points.

Also I think the ASU qb uncertainty is an advantage for UW. I'd almost prefer to see Kelly play because he might be rusty and not ready for UW's front 7.

With the pac-12 being a cluster fuck, these games are all about match ups and who can exploit what. Cal was a great matchup for UW because UW's front could dominate them and Cal does not have a good defense. Oregon had the QB and OL to dominate UW's major strength. ASU's OL looks decent so who knows. Its a matchup UW's DL definitely needs to win. If they don't, they have about a 5% chance of winning the game. I do think it will be a close game as ASU does not have the caliber of QB, RB or defense that Oregon has.

I think ASU is a better team and Graham is doing a really nice job. That being said I think he's a bible thumping scumbag and someone should shove his special headset up his pooper.