Tequilla's Ohio State Post Mortem Thoughts
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Generally speaking, I'm a fan of taking the points when they are there. I don't generally like Fake FG situations (particularly if a QB isn't your holder) because you're putting players in position to fail more often than not. I do think that when a fake works that poorly it takes momentum away from you as a team and gives some good momentum to the opposition.
Given the time/score of the game, I thought it was an odd time for the call. At that point you've effectively outplayed your opponent for the first 26+ minutes. No need to change anything.
Did the fake cause Ohio State to score? Not directly.
Did the fake give momentum to Ohio State? Absolutely.
I don't think it's uncorrelated that Ohio State's 2 best drives of the game came going into halftime and coming out of halftime feeding off that momentum.
I don't think its a huge stretch to say that it gave Ohio State some confidence about the outcome … there is a saying that some subscribe to that teams that go to fakes and trick plays often do so because they don't think they can beat you straight up.
UW still likely loses that game fake or no fake.
My point is that it was an unnecessary risk at that point of time compounded by one of the worst attempts that I've ever seen. It absolutely served as a shot to the nuts.
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We need a thousand words to be told a big play gave a team momentum.
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I just can't stand his drive by thinks he's god's gift to sportsball analysis diarrhea of the keyboard. Dude loves to hear himself talk. "I've said this same thing 5 different ways. Hmm, let's make that 8."
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I care so much to hear myself talk that I rarely post anymore … only tend to do these types of things for big games or before/after the season
There's a lot to like with what happened Saturday … far more than to be concerned about
It wasn't perfect
There were things to learn from for both players and coaches
Fans of this program need to get rid of the sky is falling mindset … particularly when losing to the #1 team in a competitive fashion
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Participation ribbons for all
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To take other side of this, Ohio State was a poorly called 4th down slow developing stretch play and fumbled punt from being up 7-0 and having the ball at UW 25 10 minutes into game. TD there and route more than likely is on.
We aren't in same universe of having the dudes across the OL/DL to compete at the highest level of B12 let alone SEC and 12 team playoffs.
Fisch not calling a timeout b4 fake goal after seeing Ohio State not have 1, not 2 but three players in safe mode (including 2 on the side of field the fake was going to) is inexcusable to me and on same plane as telling your senior QB were running the option to short side versus WSU no matter what and not giving him the option to check out of it even when a Rogers in two seconds can count and realize they have one more defender that we can block on play.
That's a mistake a head coach makes in year 1 or two, not in year 4.
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Stop saying we don't have the players. There's talent throughout this lineup and saying that or echoing it more likely is not just wrong it detracts from the actual problems. That being Jedds rezone offense and Demonds holding on to the ball IMO. If those 2 things are different the game was absolutely winnable. Not saying they do win every time don't twist.
Stop echoing braindead doog tweets or wherever you all get this from that lil ol Washington doesn't have the players. It's an excuse for Jedd. One more year bro c'mon bro let me get my guys in next year bro. You mean after Willis, Moore, Coleman, Taco, Prysock and Boston are gone??
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Define what you mean by saying that "we have the players"
We do have players … there's a really good chance that we can finish as a Top 15-20 team this year whether via the polls, metrics, or all the above. If all goes right we might finish a bit higher.
But I don't think it's really that crazy to say that we don't have the same kind of talent that the #1 team in the nation, defending national champion, and the definition of what a blue blood has.
That's not to say that we shouldn't expect to be able to compete with them … and we did.
That's not to say that we didn't have at least a puncher's chance of winning the game … and we did.
We're closer to competing at that level today than we were last season.
We'll get another chance to show how much we've improved throughout the year when we play Oregon at the end of the season.
We'll very likely be closer to competing at that level next season than we were this season.
It's fine for us all to be frustrated by things here and there … notably the fake FG call that isn't explainable. It's frustrating to me to see Fisch not take accountability for it.
But this idea that things need to be blown up because we lost to #1 that so many UW fans have right now … it's really over the top.
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We have the players because Fisch is a great recruiter and we have the portal so rebuilds can happen as fast as one year - 2 years max
Because he's a great recruiter and DeBoer didn't recruit good enough to keep the teen boy stalkers happy
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We have the players because we've seen them on the field playing football for parts of last 1/3 of the season now.
The most detrimental doog reasoning is that we don't have the stars. Our team composite talent in 2023 was 26th. In 2016 it was 24th. Does anyone here truly believe we were scrappy underdogs in talent especially after seeing both of those teams go to the NFL and play for years after?
Recruiting site give infinitely more information about these kids before they are on the field but the moment you have any tape at the college level that information because more and more useless. Not to mention the circle jerk of 3 star players that get offers from blue bloods that get bumped up to 4 stars because of the offer.
Nothing about that game indicated we didn't have the ponies and it's a complete distraction from the actual problems to say so. Probably 8ish starters from Sat get a sniff or more in the NFL.
All that being said I don't feel that negative about Jedds chances of figuring out the red zone. We're not talking about a stubborn old D first coach that can't adapt. LIPO but the talent on the team is not the problem.
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I think we already have the players to be an upper-middle or maybe lower-upper Big 10 team. Basically what Arizona was in 2023. That's not saying a ton though. One thing Ohio State feasted on for 25 years now is the other Big 10 programs being pretty pedestrian and almost always having dogshit at QB. Oregon is taking advantage of that now too.
The problem is we doog on our young guys, but remember Ohio State has them too. Jeremiah Smith is a second year player for example, and they have guys who are much more talented than our young guys who aren't even playing. It's why the we're building for next year shit doesn't work that well with catching these teams, then add now that those programs buy the best portal players on top of it now.
I could go over a lot of places where we didn't match up with dudes, but our pass rush going against their offense was the biggest one.
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I do think there were a handful of good things that showed in the game, and are reason for some optimism. But I also think some people here are delusional thinking of how competitive we were or like Fisch absurdly comparing it to an Oregon-Penn State heavyweight fight. How many times did a Don James team beat an opponent something like 24-6 and we'd hear the opposing coach talk about how close they were to beating Washington… but for anyone watching the game objectively, it was clear that UW was in control in the second half and played conservatively to stay in control, while relying on its defense and special teams. That was the case on Saturday. Ohio State took near complete control of the game following the hideous roughing the passer call, and it was pretty much over after that. I even said in the game thread at halftime that it now had the feel of a 31-6 game.
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It certainly wasn't devoid of things to be optimistic about. Conservative gameplan or not I was shocked how well the defense held up. I assumed their offense was just going to be able to gash runs at will, especially since their weapons at WR would make stacking the box and selling out the run really hard to do.
I'm not optimistic about how this means some Maryland RB who transferred in from University of Maryland Baltimore County next week is gonna go for 200+.
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Ohio State's possession's at the end of the first half and starting the second half were pretty clear indicators that our coaching is not great and there is absolutely a deficiency in talent. They could have scored another two touchdowns on UW in the second half if they needed or cared to.
I completely agree with Derek that the outcome of this game was never in doubt once tOSU took the lead (and probably before then for those of us who knew UW had to jump out early pray they could hold on late). The winning formula was not to go toe to toe for 60 minutes.
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Fisch didn't have much his 1st offseason besides bringing what he could from Arizona (both roster and recruits) …
I'm sure that the fact UW had 7 healthy OL for Spring 2024 was all on Fisch … right?
DeBoer's recruiting wasn't awesome … go look at the decommits in 2024 that left after the coaching change and it's a bunch of non difference makers to date.
I get it with the portal in that you can go throw around a bunch of money for a quick fix … but what about UW makes you think that we're going to outspend people with deeper pockets?
I know you hate patience but sometimes having some matters
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Nowhere have I said that UW doesn't have talent.
What I've said is that our talent isn't what Ohio State's is.
To win that game we needed a lot of things to go right for us … a lot did but not enough (some of that being self inflicted either through penalties or coaching decisions)
This team is good enough to have a chance to be a CFP team this year … I don't think they'd be a threat to win a National Championship but it's in the Top 15 to 20 range.
Penix, the WRs, and the OL masked a lot of gaps on the 2023 team that we were able to play through until Michigan dominated us on both sides of the LOS. Perhaps we beat Michigan with a coaching staff dialed into the game vs their ambition and a game plan that adjusted to what Michigan was taking away (they often dropped both safeties to the boundaries to take away the outside routes). But if you were there in person watching the game, the better team won the game.
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Indiana seems to be doing okay in year two of a complete rebuild. They must be spending more than UW.
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People that are bitching the most about Saturday to me are the ones that are probably over-inflating what this team is in terms of expectations. Top 15 for this team in Year 2 for Fisch would be really good given what he took over. It's really mind blowing to me that we have so many that don't recognize that.
We have a good amount of talent on this roster. There are still a bunch of JAGs on the roster though that get exposed when playing the likes of Ohio State.
It's not a "wait until next year" mindset as much as it is being that UW needs to continue stacking class upon class where we get good young players that are coming in, contributing and developing so that our floor is continuing to rise.
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Top 15 for this year is the expectation. Maybe even the minimum. We should be just on the outside looking in for Playoffs.
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Patience is for losers
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Just outside of the CFP is likely 9-3
8-4 would be disappointing because it means we likely didn't win any of the coin flip games and/or lost at least 1 game that we had no business losing.
There's nothing that we've seen to date that makes that Top 15 target an unrealistic expectation
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Top 13-15 in year 2 with a playoff loss or a good bowl win would be efficient even by today's standards if you have to bring in your own talent and players. Jedd mostly had to do that.
You've acknowledged that a loss to Ohio State and a win vs Oregon and a playoff loss would be a GOOD season.
Nothing about Saturday changes that outside of some 45-10 outcome.
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I haven't changed 11-2 or out
It's still on the table
I gave him a mulligan year. I'm only asking that he do what his shitty predecessor did
I've been patient
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His predecessor exhausted his losses pretty quick then shaped up. That's great coaching obviously.
With what I'm seeing In not giving up on the kids yet. Humbling experiences are worth more than most in life. Shows you what you need to do.
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If we win at Maryland this weekend, that would be an outstanding signal that this group is legit and committed to winning.
Fisch is not Ty but he might be Crazy Larry, EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!!! He might need an OC to call plays. We’re 16 games in, and while I think he’s done a ton of real good things shepherding UW into the new era, the X’s and O’s under pressure seem a little suspect.
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10 consecutive 1 year stops in the NFL says his x’s and 0’s and under pressure play calling weren’t great.
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I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him by what I've seen at UW.
Oh, right.
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Shane Waldron has a comparable NFL resume. Make him say no when Fisch goes to Florida.
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UW's offensive and defensive lines are above average — maybe. But they aren't close to good enough to compete with playoff-caliber teams. There are good players, but there is little depth. It's just a fact. UW isn't "there" yet.
