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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-if-abc-news/what-if-teachers-were-paid-like-athletes-135234980.html
(yes, Yahoo's my source, wanna fight about it?)
Watch that video. If you rage, you're normal. If you think it's a good idea to pay teachers $5,000,000/year as a means to improve test scores (they never claimed it'd make the kids smarter), there'll be some gasoline, matches and an anchor on the Aurora Bridge for you sometime this week. Hell, at current income levels, you could take that $5,000,000 and fund 100 normal teachers for your average 30 student classroom. Holy shit, imagine that, 3 teachers per student in America. Think the kids would be smarter then?
Also, for a video about American education, they sure are a bunch of dumb fucks. How do they think professional athletes are paid? How are teachers paid? And FFS, the map of the US at 1:05 includes Vancouver Island.
(yes, Yahoo's my source, wanna fight about it?)
Watch that video. If you rage, you're normal. If you think it's a good idea to pay teachers $5,000,000/year as a means to improve test scores (they never claimed it'd make the kids smarter), there'll be some gasoline, matches and an anchor on the Aurora Bridge for you sometime this week. Hell, at current income levels, you could take that $5,000,000 and fund 100 normal teachers for your average 30 student classroom. Holy shit, imagine that, 3 teachers per student in America. Think the kids would be smarter then?
Also, for a video about American education, they sure are a bunch of dumb fucks. How do they think professional athletes are paid? How are teachers paid? And FFS, the map of the US at 1:05 includes Vancouver Island.
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You know, rather than by some bullshit government chart.
The fact that schools can pay teachers what they do does indicate that there are plenty of teachers available and no need to pay them more though.
Find a way to privatize the entire education system (yeah I know it'll never happen), and then each teacher would be paid what the market says. Good teachers would get better salaries than the shitty ones.
Teachers make no money because they have no skills (those that can't do, teach). It's not a big deal that they work a 2nd job (They're so smart right? That should be no problem for these geniuses) in the summer.
This video is full of butthurt over athletes making what the market dictates.
The Pre-K proposals in Seattle are nice but I asked (after I received an email from Ed Murray) the campaign manager (of "Blue Wave Media rather than Purple or Red Wave) if these Pre-K schools would be controlled by the unions or if they were more like charter schools. This is what he said:
"The Seattle Preschool Program (SPP) is not at all like the charter school system that was set up under Initiative 1240. Rather, it strengthens public involvement in preschool instruction for three and four year-old kids in Seattle compared to the current privatized system.
To understand why, the most important point to understand is that there currently is no public preschool system in Seattle, so the new program would not be competing with or potentially drawing resources away from an existing system of public preschool instruction. Under the current private system of childcare, quality varies widely and access to a high quality preschool environment is largely limited to children in better off families who can afford to pay for it.
That is a clear problem, and the Seattle Preschool Program is geared to improving the existing system by creating more opportunities for high quality preschool. It’s about making quality preschool affordable and accessible to those who are interested (it's voluntary) by creating a set of public standards for what quality preschool should be, and then offering free or subsidized tuition on a sliding scale based on ability to pay to families who participate in preschool programs that meet those standards. The ultimate goal is to ensure every child regardless of family income has the opportunity to benefit from a quality preschool experience, so they enter the K-12 system – most participating kids will leave the City pre-K program to attend Seattle public schools – with the best possible opportunity to succeed. And it does this without diverting any money away from an existing public system (since no such system exists).
As for your question about union run schools, our plan currently has the sole endorsement of the King County Labor Council and if passed, the City will continue to work with unions on it's implementation. "
I thanked him for his response and asked another question but didn't get a response (which I anticipated):
"Will families have a choice of where to send their young children or will they be forced to send their kids to a specific one, regardless of its quality? Also, what is the per child cost of this initiative?"
No matter his response, we must bust the teacher's unions. They are set-up to extract as much tax revenues from the rest of us as possible and then use some of our money to donate to Democratic politicians to keep the gravy train going. It's unethical and immoral but libtards don't care.
But yes, I agree that the dumbing down and lack of accountability is also a problem.
All I'm saying is that you can change the unions, the pensions, and the pay all you want. That won't change the fundamental flaw in our way of thinking about education. We teach students that as long as they hand in their work, they will succeed. We teach them to be workers, not thinkers. We teach them to follow rules, rather than question the logic behind them. The value is placed on the ability to memorize facts, when we live in a world where those facts can be found at the press of a button. Critical thinking is an afterthought. That's the crux of the issue, in my opinion.
Of course, if there weren't so many children born out of wedlock and raised by single mothers, there would be more two parent households who have the time to help them with their homework and make them think critically and logically.
I'll bet you born again Christians have the lowest percentage of single parents among any group of Americans. And I'll bet you they have the worst critical thinking skills. Other than that great point.
He's what people who think teachers should be paid a lot more fail to realize, if teachers could make 200k a year, most current teachers would be out of a job because much better applicants who are currently making 200k in other professions, would take their jobs. They supply of better qualified applicants would increase, and the social studies teacher who was a C student and choose teaching because it was an easier degree than engineering or business would not hired as a teacher at that pay rate.
Teaching pays what it does because it is comparatively and easy job, it doesn't take a particularly bright or skilled person to get through the schooling, and there is a large labor supply of people willing to do the job at the current rates.
I actually had someone get pissed off at me at a party. They were going on about teacher salaries and I said two things 1) what were teacher salaries when you made the choice to become one? You knew what you were signing up for. 2) be careful what you wish for because if the salaries get high enough, people like me will take your job. They weren't amused at hearing the truth.
What would happen though is that current teachers could also go back to school in order to become better qualified, rising seas lifts all boats and all that.
Read a few studies on the difference a good teacher makes in a childs development vs a poor teacher and then spout off. You know, a few places like harvard and stanford do such studies and are easily accessible for your reading pleasure.
One of the biggest problems with teaching and student development is still the parents. People take their kids to class and assume they will somehow learn everything in a short amount of time without any further work. Sadly, many families don't prioritize reading, learning and anything else at home and merely toss their kid a xbox controller. Nor do many people want to admit that not all kids have the capacity to be rock stars no matter what the learning environment.
If you want a competitive field to drive out some of the idiots, then pay a good wage. It actually does help society when highly qualified and motivated employees are driving youth in the proper direction. I highly doubt some of you would pay for your suit at Old navy and expect $3k suit quality. 5 million is ridiculous, but paying people 30k is equally comical.