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Rick Neuheisel's recruiting created the foundation for UCLA's success

DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 62,735 Founders Club
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latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-football-leftovers-20140827-story.html
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  • HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.
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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    I listened to Rick on the Dan Patrick show this morning. They asked him how he felt about UCLA's success since he left and he said he was happy about it, but thought they were on the path to the same success. He revealed the real reason Hundley didn't play as a true freshman was because he was injured for part of the season. He thought things would have been different if he had a QB like Hundley. Mora is a huge upgrade, but I agree. Rick's QB's at UCLA were terrible.
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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited August 2014
    Vanilla double post.
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,721 Swaye's Wigwam
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    81 wins
    49 ties
    65 losses
    71... shoot out losses?
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
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  • HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    Disagree completely on Colorado. UW was a push. UCLA...too lazy to check, but you're probably right.
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  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    edited August 2014
    Rick's seven receiver class says otherwise.
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    Disagree completely on Colorado. UW was a push. UCLA...too lazy to check, but you're probably right.
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  • BaphometBaphomet Member Posts: 1,511
    doogsinparadise said:

    Rick's seven receiver class says otherwise.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    Disagree completely on Colorado. UW was a push. UCLA...too lazy to check, but you're probably right.
    Kinda sounds like Sark.

    But with a Rose Bowl win.
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  • CaptainPJCaptainPJ Member Posts: 2,986
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal.
    Are you fucking serious? It's a metric UW measures itself by, and Neu was smart enough to get that.

    I enjoy New Year's in Pasadena - you clearly have never been.
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  • CaptainPJCaptainPJ Member Posts: 2,986
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    Are you old enough to remember when Neu coached at CU (that's "Colorado").

    Pop quiz: who took over when he left?

    That proves Boob's point - look it up
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  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,721 Swaye's Wigwam
    Baphomet said:

    Kinda sounds like Sark.

    But with a Rose Bowl win.

    Neu beat Oregon. Nothing else matters.

    He was 2-1 against Oregon. Should've been 3-0.
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  • GladstoneGladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    edited August 2014
    "He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal."

    Whoa there.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,635
    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    UW's record his last year was better than it's record the year before he arrived. So obviously you're not using last season record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    UCLA's record the year after he left was better than it's record the year before he arrived, so obviously you're not using the year after he left record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    And if you're saying "the metrics" say his last team at UW was worse than Lambo's last team than "the metrics" you are using are wrong.

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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,084 Founders Club
    Comprehensive list of acceptable metrics:























    SCOREBOARD BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    dnc said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    UW's record his last year was better than it's record the year before he arrived. So obviously you're not using last season record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    UCLA's record the year after he left was better than it's record the year before he arrived, so obviously you're not using the year after he left record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    And if you're saying "the metrics" say his last team at UW was worse than Lambo's last team than "the metrics" you are using are wrong.

    7-6 > 6-6 Is that what you're saying? I'll never understand the Rick defenders around here.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,635
    edited August 2014
    doogsinparadise said:

    dnc said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HeretoBeatmyChest said:

    The metrics show that Neuheisel is/was a terrible coach. At UCLA he went 81-49-65-71. Mora takes that to 30 and 6. No fucking way would UCLA be as good as they are with Mora.

    How many Rose Bowls have the metrics won, smart guy?
    The predictability of the metrics is stronger than that of anything else. He won 1 Rose Bowl. Big fucking deal. He took over 3 programs and they were all worse by the time he left.
    UW's record his last year was better than it's record the year before he arrived. So obviously you're not using last season record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    UCLA's record the year after he left was better than it's record the year before he arrived, so obviously you're not using the year after he left record to determine "worse by the time he left".

    And if you're saying "the metrics" say his last team at UW was worse than Lambo's last team than "the metrics" you are using are wrong.

    7-6 > 6-6 Is that what you're saying? I'll never understand the Rick defenders around here.
    7-6 > 6-6
    +56 point differential > -40 point differential
    Sun Bowel > Oahu Classic

    By any measurement 2002 was a better team than 1998.

    More importantly Chest made the claim that everyone of Rick's teams was WORSE than what he took over, which is just not arguable in the case of UW. You could maybe argue it was equally mediocre (though I'd disagree), but there's no argument that it was worse.
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  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    edited August 2014
    Sark is better than Ty, everyone says so.

    Rick peaked higher than Lambright, Ty, and Sark for sure, but the trajectory of the program was clearly down when he left. He might not have lost 11 or 12 games, but it's fs to defend such a thoroughly mediocre coach.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,635
    doogsinparadise said:

    Sark is better than Ty, everyone says so.

    I was countering the claim that UW was worse when RN left than when he came. It wasn't.

    hth
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  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    dnc said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    Sark is better than Ty, everyone says so.

    I was countering the claim that UW was worse when RN left than when he came. It wasn't.

    hth
    Sounds pretty hypothetical, on the scoreboard they were 7-5 in Rick's first year, and 6-6, 1-11 under Gilby. What improvement?
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