This years recruiting is looking pretty good so far. Another 7-6 or worse season will undo all of that. There will be mass decommitments and our class will look like Rick's final class at UCLA (minus Hundley). If Sark can somehow make a run this class will be ridiculously good and guys like Lewis will be asked to look elsewhere.
This is why Woodward needs to pay attention to recruiting. If it starts falling off in November and continues then you have no choice but to make a change.
Disagree. That type of thinking is what bought Ty another season and thus 0-12 happened. Remember "We can't fire Ty he is putting together a great class".
If Emmert would have dropped the HAMMER on Ty after year 3, we could have lost Fivestario Middleton. It clearly wasn't worth the risk.
This years recruiting is looking pretty good so far. Another 7-6 or worse season will undo all of that. There will be mass decommitments and our class will look like Rick's final class at UCLA (minus Hundley). If Sark can somehow make a run this class will be ridiculously good and guys like Lewis will be asked to look elsewhere.
This is why Woodward needs to pay attention to recruiting. If it starts falling off in November and continues then you have no choice but to make a change.
Disagree. That type of thinking is what bought Ty another season and thus 0-12 happened. Remember "We can't fire Ty he is putting together a great class".
If Emmert would have dropped the HAMMER on Ty after year 3, we could have lost Fivestario Middleton. It clearly wasn't worth the risk.
From the Duck perspective - we were told by Biggins that UO led for Lockett. He himself had stated that we were his leader.
/teenstocker
WOW....you guys are really awesome. We're just lucky to get your leftovers. Thanks for posting such an informative and beneficial message.
Hope it makes you feel better.
Just sharing some PREMIUM CONTENT! Really, he's a kid that Oregon's coaches are high on. Look at our secondary. They know their shit. Clearly your coaches are on the ball as well.
No gloating or WDWHA, he's a fantastic talent and I kind of hope he flips back to us before February.
Multiple poasters falsely assumed I was implying Woodward look at recruiting in a vacuum.
Ty should have been fired regardless. It was a political decision to retain him and they tried to use recruiting as a reason. Had they fired his ass they'd have kept all the in-state guys anyway.
The point here is if Sark goes 8-4 or 8-5 and recruiting has peaked, then recruits are voting down on the regime and its a legitimate reason to make major changes even tho a fair share of fans will tout 5<7<7<7<8.
Multiple poasters falsely assumed I was implying Woodward look at recruiting in a vacuum.
Ty should have been fired regardless. It was a political decision to retain him and they tried to use recruiting as a reason. Had they fired his ass they'd have kept all the in-state guys anyway.
The point here is if Sark goes 8-4 or 8-5 and recruiting has peaked, then recruits are voting down on the regime and its a legitimate reason to make major changes even tho a fair share of fans will tout 5
Hint: Recruiting doesn't matter as much as player development does.
Pool Boy shouldn't fire Sark cause of lack of recruiting but cause Sark is a terrible coach.
From the Duck perspective - we were told by Biggins that UO led for Lockett. He himself had stated that we were his leader.
Post committing to UW - there have been two reactions - one, a kind of modified WDWHA, in that UO is loaded at CB and we might not have had room for him, or, two, that the kid just really enjoyed his visit to Seattle and decided to commit. Either way, he's a great get for UW and will almost certainly contribute early. Lots of people on the UO premium boreds had nice things to say about him and he was certainly on our coaches' board (not to be confused with bored).
/teenstocker
No one really gives a fuck about the duck perspective, or the duck premium boreds.
From the Duck perspective - we were told by Biggins that UO led for Lockett. He himself had stated that we were his leader.
Post committing to UW - there have been two reactions - one, a kind of modified WDWHA, in that UO is loaded at CB and we might not have had room for him, or, two, that the kid just really enjoyed his visit to Seattle and decided to commit. Either way, he's a great get for UW and will almost certainly contribute early. Lots of people on the UO premium boreds had nice things to say about him and he was certainly on our coaches' board (not to be confused with bored).
/teenstocker
No one really gives a fuck about the duck perspective, or the duck premium boreds.
I, for one, would love to get that quook matmik up in this bitch
From the Duck perspective - we were told by Biggins that UO led for Lockett. He himself had stated that we were his leader.
Post committing to UW - there have been two reactions - one, a kind of modified WDWHA, in that UO is loaded at CB and we might not have had room for him, or, two, that the kid just really enjoyed his visit to Seattle and decided to commit. Either way, he's a great get for UW and will almost certainly contribute early. Lots of people on the UO premium boreds had nice things to say about him and he was certainly on our coaches' board (not to be confused with bored).
/teenstocker
No one really gives a fuck about the duck perspective, or the duck premium boreds.
I, for one, would love to get that quook matmik up in this bitch
He's either Boobs or Harv. Shit's not funny, but whatevah
Multiple poasters falsely assumed I was implying Woodward look at recruiting in a vacuum.
Ty should have been fired regardless. It was a political decision to retain him and they tried to use recruiting as a reason. Had they fired his ass they'd have kept all the in-state guys anyway.
The point here is if Sark goes 8-4 or 8-5 and recruiting has peaked, then recruits are voting down on the regime and its a legitimate reason to make major changes even tho a fair share of fans will tout 5
Hint: Recruiting doesn't matter as much as player development does.
Pool Boy shouldn't fire Sark cause of lack of recruiting but cause Sark is a terrible coach.
Hint: Banner > Eldenkramp, Garnett > Hindy, Williams > Shelton
Terrible recruiting on the OL has forced kids to play early which has stunted development and growth potential. The same is true of the DL though that won't be an issue after this season.
There are a plethora of reasons Sark won't last as he head coach anyway. I think the biggest is he sucks as an OC.
Multiple poasters falsely assumed I was implying Woodward look at recruiting in a vacuum.
Ty should have been fired regardless. It was a political decision to retain him and they tried to use recruiting as a reason. Had they fired his ass they'd have kept all the in-state guys anyway.
The point here is if Sark goes 8-4 or 8-5 and recruiting has peaked, then recruits are voting down on the regime and its a legitimate reason to make major changes even tho a fair share of fans will tout 5
Hint: Recruiting doesn't matter as much as player development does.
Pool Boy shouldn't fire Sark cause of lack of recruiting but cause Sark is a terrible coach.
Hint: Banner > Eldenkramp, Garnett > Hindy, Williams > Shelton
Terrible recruiting on the OL has forced kids to play early which has stunted development and growth potential. The same is true of the DL though that won't be an issue after this season.
There are a plethora of reasons Sark won't last as he head coach anyway. I think the biggest is he sucks as an OC.
Sark has recruited better than he has developed players. He has had 4 straight ranked recruiting classes. UW has out recruited Oregon State past decade yet are 2-7 against them last 9 years.
UW overall has also outrecruited Stanford yet Stanford is better cause of player development.
UW in the past 10 years has recruited pretty well yet have sucked.
PLAYER DEVELOPMENT! James never had the top classes and was always out recruited by USC and UCLA yet he defeated those teams cause he could develop his guys.
Look at our WR position for an example. We still don't have a #2 WR but look how many 4 star guys we have on our roster. Even Kohler is a 4 star OL who is terrible along with Hatchie.
Overall recruiting was quite good last year. The class was good in terms of stars per player and the vast majority of recruits based on their offer list are good enough to contribute. The bulk of the 3* guys are much closer to being 4* guys and the class was well balanced except for the OL which was the weak spot.
Stars per player are more important than the overall points. Last year the class was 4th in the pac-12 in stars per player and 19th overall. The 2010 class was 6th in stars per player in conference and ranked 23rd overall. A rigid analysis shows that Sark's recruiting pre-last year was at best barely better than Ty's.
Recruiting has definitely improved thanks entirely to Tosh & Sirmon. One only look at the DL as the first example. Last year's DL class probably made Passion cream his pants and its amazing to think that was without Hall & Hooks who decided in the final day. The LB group was solid with 2 of the 4 guys getting offers from Oregon and the two others having decent offers with potential to surprise.
I'm very confident that the defense can get better thanks to Tosh & Sirmon's recruiting ability and Wilcox' ability to get the best out of whats available. The 2015 class just got a commit from a DL who will be a top 100 player according to Biggins. Who knows if it lasts but its continued evidence then Tosh is making a huge impact.
It's clear that Steve Sarkisian can't recruit OL. Cozetto is kept around probably bc of his inroads in Arizona, a state where talent is improving dramatically. He has the connections that this less than experienced staff does not. Maybe he was the point man on getting Farria who could be the greatest steal since.....well Shaq but potentially one of the greatest steals. The root problem is OL recruiting and not coaching. But if HS players are turned off by Coz then he definitely needs to go.
Overall, the expectation needs to be to consistently put together classes that are in the top 4-5 in conference in stars per player and not the overall points bullshit. For this next class, it comes down to winning 9 games and being respectable in the 4 losses. That would be enough for recruits to think the program is improving and recruiting would continue to improve. If that doesn't happen the upcoming class won't be as good as last years.
Overall recruiting was quite good last year. The class was good in terms of stars per player and the vast majority of recruits based on their offer list are good enough to contribute. The bulk of the 3* guys are much closer to being 4* guys and the class was well balanced except for the OL which was the weak spot.
Stars per player are more important than the overall points. Last year the class was 4th in the pac-12 in stars per player and 19th overall. The 2010 class was 6th in stars per player in conference and ranked 23rd overall. A rigid analysis shows that Sark's recruiting pre-last year was at best barely better than Ty's.
Recruiting has definitely improved thanks entirely to Tosh & Sirmon. One only look at the DL as the first example. Last year's DL class probably made Passion cream his pants and its amazing to think that was without Hall & Hooks who decided in the final day. The LB group was solid with 2 of the 4 guys getting offers from Oregon and the two others having decent offers with potential to surprise.
I'm very confident that the defense can get better thanks to Tosh & Sirmon's recruiting ability and Wilcox' ability to get the best out of whats available. The 2015 class just got a commit from a DL who will be a top 100 player according to Biggins. Who knows if it lasts but its continued evidence then Tosh is making a huge impact.
It's clear that Steve Sarkisian can't recruit OL. Cozetto is kept around probably bc of his inroads in Arizona, a state where talent is improving dramatically. He has the connections that this less than experienced staff does not. Maybe he was the point man on getting Farria who could be the greatest steal since.....well Shaq but potentially one of the greatest steals. The root problem is OL recruiting and not coaching. But if HS players are turned off by Coz then he definitely needs to go.
Overall, the expectation needs to be to consistently put together classes that are in the top 4-5 in conference in stars per player and not the overall points bullshit. For this next class, it comes down to winning 9 games and being respectable in the 4 losses. That would be enough for recruits to think the program is improving and recruiting would continue to improve. If that doesn't happen the upcoming class won't be as good as last years.
LEAVE!
A little disturbed that you've kept the link to a 3 year-old thread.
But even more disturbing is how history repeats itself - shitty OL recruiting.
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Hope it makes you feel better.
No gloating or WDWHA, he's a fantastic talent and I kind of hope he flips back to us before February.
Ty should have been fired regardless. It was a political decision to retain him and they tried to use recruiting as a reason. Had they fired his ass they'd have kept all the in-state guys anyway.
The point here is if Sark goes 8-4 or 8-5 and recruiting has peaked, then recruits are voting down on the regime and its a legitimate reason to make major changes even tho a fair share of fans will tout 5<7<7<7<8.
Pool Boy shouldn't fire Sark cause of lack of recruiting but cause Sark is a terrible coach.
Terrible recruiting on the OL has forced kids to play early which has stunted development and growth potential. The same is true of the DL though that won't be an issue after this season.
There are a plethora of reasons Sark won't last as he head coach anyway. I think the biggest is he sucks as an OC.
UW overall has also outrecruited Stanford yet Stanford is better cause of player development.
UW in the past 10 years has recruited pretty well yet have sucked.
PLAYER DEVELOPMENT! James never had the top classes and was always out recruited by USC and UCLA yet he defeated those teams cause he could develop his guys.
Look at our WR position for an example. We still don't have a #2 WR but look how many 4 star guys we have on our roster. Even Kohler is a 4 star OL who is terrible along with Hatchie.
Sark can't develop talent worth a shit.
The myth lives!
Kind of? Either you do or you don't pussyfoot....
But even more disturbing is how history repeats itself - shitty OL recruiting.