The 20 safest and most dangerous national parks
Neat.
North Cascades is a lovely park of death. Very few enter the park and the ones who do like to fall off mountains. I'm brimming with pride.
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Another thing is the only way into the North Cascades Park is through Concrete. Concrete has some slight things that might make it seem like a cute/quaint national park adjacent town for the new yuppies who are flocking to the park from Seattle/Bellingham to like but it's a dark place. If you go to the Skagit County cold cases page almost all of them are around that town. There are about 1-2 murders and 1-2 missing people who pop up from there a year and the murders tend to be macabre.
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Buddy did search and rescue at Zion. Noted biggest issues were people not prepared for the weather, especially early Spring. Noted a few rock climbing falls as well.
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Ah yes, Concrete, the Gold Bar of Highway 20. I just took a drive through Concrete for old time's sake. Lot of Baker Lake materials purchased there. We should have stopped earlier.
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Tales of Angel's Landing death at Zion are always fun because I can picture it. It's rush hour traffic up there these days, bound to be accidents. Boy, would that be a sight.
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3 kids I went to HS with died at North Cascades, always chalked it up to Darwinism
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this is probably tug material but im kind of shocked nobody has been shot at the gateway arch in st louis.
yeah, i know its not east stl but still.
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@StLouisDawg!!! True???
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What about the pervs at Discovery Park?
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You're looking for the Most Rapey City Parks list. That's not covered here.
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several reasons for the safety: 1. Small area, like 10 city blocks; 2. Federal, so officers are better trained than city officers and more plentiful; 3. The typical STL city crime is a black thing. Much easier places to rob a tourist than at the Arch. Parking lot, to and from a restaurant at the landing (next to Arch); 4. Crowds. Always lots of people around. And STL criminal element does kinda stick out in tourist areas.
Been 25 years since someone was shot at the Arch. As I recall, it was a family thing. Might have been a family reunion where someone fingered the wrong cousin.
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I'm still pissed that the Gateway Arch got a National Park designation in 2018. It's a manmade object on 91 acres, a complete outlier in the NPS, a bastardization of what National Parks are supposed to be about, a politically motivated designation, and rabble rabble rabble! It's BULLSHIT.
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It's a gateway drug to western national parks
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It was fine as a National Monument or National Memorial e.g. the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, DC sites, etc. These aren't simply names, they do have meaning. Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave!
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Seqoia was the national park I've felt the least safe in. I guess it's flat and not big but I remember walking on one of the main trails and suddenly hit a bunch of snow and quickly was lost in a large area of endless snow and ran into a few other people who had the same issue and there was no service. It was deep snow and there were ponds and stuff around which we knew we could slip into. Eventually just walked around and got lucky enough to hit a trail. Was mega sketchy and I guess like Muir or some shit wanted it to be untouched so there were no warning signs or anything.
Morro Rock was also sketchy as shit. Mega steep walk up with no railings and way too many people with barely enough space to go past each other.
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Sequoia NP stretches from ~1300ft to Mt. Whitney at 14500, the highest point in the 48. Sequoia is legitimately the least flat National Park in the 48, and it's huge. In combo with Kings Canyon NP it's even huger (it's essentially one park, really). Anyway, I've climbed several 14ers in Sequoia NP and boy are they anything but flat. I had to correct this record.
Careful out there Woolley. Cell service and warning signs on trails are very rare in national parks. The warning signs are at the entrance to the park, trailheads, visitor centers, and in your senses. Gotta have your wits about ya, most importantly, or you'll end up on this list!
That being said, snow is no joke, and it's probably the biggest killer/maimer on this list. Especially scary when melt/freeze cycles start in spring and around tree wells. Lots of risk for those things in the lower Sequoia elevations. -
Christ - if there ain't no grizzly bars then you can't top the list.
I can remember hiking around Glacier and Yellastone in High School being terrified of getting eating alive.
N. Cascades has hardly any grizzlies compared to the Alaska stuff.
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North Cascades is always one step ahead of the competition. Better bring your A-game if you're gonna topple the king.
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It was a learning moment. Was legit like 10 minutes of walking away from getting out of my car then 10 minutes later was like oh shit, I don't know where I am.
Aren't national parks and the areas surrounding supposedly havens for unsolved murders too - creeps lurking around knowing a lot of young women go on solo treks in the parks?
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I once was camping between Yellowstone/Teton at a dispersed site, one other guy camping a few hundred yards away. We set up our tent and this dude comes strolling over with his camera. He then proceeds to show us his camera and scrolls through pictures of a mama grizz and cubs and says "This was in your campsite last night! Better be careful!"
We then had a fire in pitch black darkness, putting out a small circle of light, I was shifty eyed as fuck, scanning the perimeter, bear spray in one hand, imagining which fire torch I was gonna grab with my other hand to do battle with a grizzly. We then slept in the car. Fuck all that! -
No, especially for the young solo woman on a trek thing. It's a fanciful thought that appeals to our Hollywood senses, but no. Murder in national parks is extremely rare and a young solo woman walking through a grocery store parking lot or Discovery Park is far more risky. Not to say it hasn't happened and there aren't cold cases. Not many young women though.
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@WoolleyDoog you're probably thinking of this guy.
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Ted Bundy liked Tiger Mt
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Only park on either list that I've been to is Hawai'i Volcanoes. Great drive from the west side of the Big Island. Arrived in shorts and tees to 55 degrees and a slight drizzle. The rain cleared up, but it didn't warm much so the tourist shop made a nice sum of money off of my wife and I. Ate dinner at the restaurant at the rim of the crater and got to watch and listen to it erupting at dark. 10/10 would recommend.
Not really big on the outdoors parks and camping stuff. Maybe when the kids get older.
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My old man has been to 60/63 of the national parks. He's missin' the 3 in deep Alaska. He got Denali though. Shout out to the old man.
I'm somewhere in the 30-40 range. I was born a ramblin' man.
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I’m going to Zion in the fall. I’ll try to improve its standing.
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I think I'm at 15 give or take. A little light.
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Great choice. The autumn scenery during your last few seconds of free fall will make your brain explode.
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Even small black bears get into cars like they're made of cardboard.
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Bears don't break into cars with screaming humans often though. Our food was hung elsewhere. Even so, the only other options were the tent or cowboy style under the moon. Might as well slather ourselves with bacon grease at that point.
All this is pretty normal out there but we got to this site late and weren't prepared for the information that nice man brought us. Tripped us out. That nice man had a trailer and he was far. It was just him, us, and mama griz w cubs out there.
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Just an amusing thing to point out. I would've slept in the car.
I'm doing a pack in, float out trip in "The Bob" in Montana in early September. The guys I'm going with only carry bear spray. I'm going to consider options but will be a little more heavily armed than that.
