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dnc
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Fuck yeah!
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Your Mariner love is worse than your Jesus love.
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Also worse than my APAG love.allpurpleallgold said:Your Mariner love is worse than your Jesus love.
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*blushes*
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Nice screengrab from last night. Like the team, the pic would look better if Kendrys wasn't in it.
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Get into the playoffs then pop off.
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Go back to Vancouver hoser Blue Jay fans!
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Fuck that. They paid my mortgage yesterday.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:Go back to Vancouver hoser Blue Jay fans!
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Lot's of Canucks (ILTCCC) on I-5 South yesterday during my commute home.
One guy was on the side of the highway peeing while the driver of his jacked up 4x4 truck sat on the shoulder honking his horn to draw attention.
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King Felix is unbelievable right now.
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The King's Court section needs some gas and match.CuntWaffle said:King Felix is unbelievable right now.
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In case you buttsniffers have forgotten, I said TSIO right before they went on the winning streak.
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I'm shocked that nobody on this bored mentioned that F^3 was busy scolding people on Twitter last night about how appalled he was that the crowd was chanting "USA! USA! USA!" when the Mariners were doing good ...
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When is Adam Jones bobble head night?
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That trade still angers me. Bavasi's obvious attempt to save his job screwed the M's over for years.PurpleJ said:When is Adam Jones bobble head night?
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get into the playoffs then pop off.
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Biggest problem with that trade is that the Mariners suck developing hitters ... so when they have one that you're pretty sure is going to hit in the majors, you can't trade him.dnc said:
That trade still angers me. Bavasi's obvious attempt to save his job screwed the M's over for years.PurpleJ said:When is Adam Jones bobble head night?
You can sign a FA pitcher to come to Seattle pretty easily ... who wouldn't want to pitch in a pitcher's park? But a FA hitter? Good luck without massively overpaying him. That's why it's so important for the Mariners to get hitters either through their system or obtained via trade. -
I said TSIO way back in 1977.RoadDawg55 said:In case you buttsniffers have forgotten, I said TSIO right before they went on the winning streak.
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I said it in 1968.PurpleJ said:
I said TSIO way back in 1977.RoadDawg55 said:In case you buttsniffers have forgotten, I said TSIO right before they went on the winning streak.
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That was a problem but it wasn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem was you traded a cost controlled, major league ready prospect who projected to have two way value (at a position of need no less) for an injury prone pitcher coming off of one big year. And then you added in a very good setup man and two very good pitching prospects on top of that.Tequilla said:
Biggest problem with that trade is that the Mariners suck developing hitters ... so when they have one that you're pretty sure is going to hit in the majors, you can't trade him.dnc said:
That trade still angers me. Bavasi's obvious attempt to save his job screwed the M's over for years.PurpleJ said:When is Adam Jones bobble head night?
You can sign a FA pitcher to come to Seattle pretty easily ... who wouldn't want to pitch in a pitcher's park? But a FA hitter? Good luck without massively overpaying him. That's why it's so important for the Mariners to get hitters either through their system or obtained via trade.
I wouldn't have traded Jones straight up for Bedard. Adding Sherrill, Tillman and Butler was Section14FS.
On top of that, it was a classic misevaluation of where the M's were in the success cycle. They were coming off a fluky decent year so Bavasi made a move like they were one piece away, but anyone paying attention knew that team needed a hell of a lot more than one more pitcher. Even if Bedard had been a Cy Young award winner that trade would have been a waste. -
I think if Felix goes out and dominates the Tigers on the road then he will start to get national recognition like Kershaw has been getting. It is kind of sad to see him getting swept under the rug during such a historic pitching season.
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DNC,
I hate the whole "cost control" terminology that gets thrown out there ... you ever hear the Yankees talk about "cost control?" The Red Sox? Dodgers? Any team serious about winning?
All "cost control" means to me is that a team is too cheap to put together a winning team unless they are able to put together a team full of guys that are getting underpaid. Fuck that. -
Oakland would like a word with you. TequilaFSTequilla said:DNC,
I hate the whole "cost control" terminology that gets thrown out there ... you ever hear the Yankees talk about "cost control?" The Red Sox? Dodgers? Any team serious about winning?
All "cost control" means to me is that a team is too cheap to put together a winning team unless they are able to put together a team full of guys that are getting underpaid. Fuck that. -
If you can't see there is inherent value in players being cost controlled then I can't help you. You may not care how much a given ownership spends, but 80-90% of franchises have payroll budgets. This makes the trade value of cost controlled players considerably higher than the trade value of most players who are being paid what they're worth. Jones was more valuable than Bedard precisely because he had six years of cost control remaining.Tequilla said:DNC,
I hate the whole "cost control" terminology that gets thrown out there ... you ever hear the Yankees talk about "cost control?" The Red Sox? Dodgers? Any team serious about winning?
All "cost control" means to me is that a team is too cheap to put together a winning team unless they are able to put together a team full of guys that are getting underpaid. Fuck that.
This is why a stud like David Price can be traded for an average pitcher like Smyly and a decent but not great prospect like Franklin. Price has nearly finished his surplus value.
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Best 1-2-3 Pitching punch in all of baseball.
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Yep. Best 1 in baseball. Best 1-2 in baseball. Best 1-2-3 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4-5 in baseball. And best bullpen on top of that.CuntWaffle said:Best 1-2-3 Pitching punch in all of baseball.
And the offense has gone from terrible to sort of kind of decent, which should be all it takes to get this team into the playoffs with that elite run prevention. Anything can happen, but they're clearly the best team of those in contention for the second wild card.
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In all honesty the fact that they pitch at Safeco can't be disregarded... I am not sure how the stats look regarding out 1-5 but I would think the A's have a slight edge over us at the moment there. Detroit I think is better with a healthy Verlander as well.dnc said:
Yep. Best 1 in baseball. Best 1-2 in baseball. Best 1-2-3 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4-5 in baseball. And best bullpen on top of that.CuntWaffle said:Best 1-2-3 Pitching punch in all of baseball.
And the offense has gone from terrible to sort of kind of decent, which should be all it takes to get this team into the playoffs with that elite run prevention. Anything can happen, but they're clearly the best team of those in contention for the second wild card.
Still from top to bottom this team does have the best pitching staff in the MLB... which is odd considering the bullpen which seemed to be terrible last year is all but the same except for Rodney. -
Pretty sure you missed my point about "cost control" ...dnc said:
If you can't see there is inherent value in players being cost controlled then I can't help you. You may not care how much a given ownership spends, but 80-90% of franchises have payroll budgets. This makes the trade value of cost controlled players considerably higher than the trade value of most players who are being paid what they're worth. Jones was more valuable than Bedard precisely because he had six years of cost control remaining.Tequilla said:DNC,
I hate the whole "cost control" terminology that gets thrown out there ... you ever hear the Yankees talk about "cost control?" The Red Sox? Dodgers? Any team serious about winning?
All "cost control" means to me is that a team is too cheap to put together a winning team unless they are able to put together a team full of guys that are getting underpaid. Fuck that.
This is why a stud like David Price can be traded for an average pitcher like Smyly and a decent but not great prospect like Franklin. Price has nearly finished his surplus value.
You can hate the terminology but to ignore the economics of player acquisition is FS.
If anybody thinks that I don't understand the fucking economics of being "cost control," they probably don't belong around here.
I get that teams have budgets.
However, at the same time, you can't sit there and tell me that the Mariners having a payroll of $100M is maximizing their ability to win given their revenue sources.
There are teams like Oakland and Tampa that clearly lack some revenue streams and have to go about things a little differently. They not only are smarter about how they spend their money, but are more willing to trust their success to younger players that are in the "prove it" stages of their careers. I have no problem using the terms "cost control" in those situations ... although I think that there are
Where I have a problem with "cost control" is in bigger markets where the revenue sources do not require "frugal" spending ... when I hear those teams talk about players being under "cost control," I interpret that as meaning "paying below market wages" and not being committed to winning.
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I'm not arguing that that happens. My point is simply that you can't ignore the value of cost controlled players, and the Mariners dealing Jones for Bedard was incredibly dumb given their relative values.Tequilla said:
Pretty sure you missed my point about "cost control" ...dnc said:
If you can't see there is inherent value in players being cost controlled then I can't help you. You may not care how much a given ownership spends, but 80-90% of franchises have payroll budgets. This makes the trade value of cost controlled players considerably higher than the trade value of most players who are being paid what they're worth. Jones was more valuable than Bedard precisely because he had six years of cost control remaining.Tequilla said:DNC,
I hate the whole "cost control" terminology that gets thrown out there ... you ever hear the Yankees talk about "cost control?" The Red Sox? Dodgers? Any team serious about winning?
All "cost control" means to me is that a team is too cheap to put together a winning team unless they are able to put together a team full of guys that are getting underpaid. Fuck that.
This is why a stud like David Price can be traded for an average pitcher like Smyly and a decent but not great prospect like Franklin. Price has nearly finished his surplus value.
You can hate the terminology but to ignore the economics of player acquisition is FS.
If anybody thinks that I don't understand the fucking economics of being "cost control," they probably don't belong around here.
I get that teams have budgets.
However, at the same time, you can't sit there and tell me that the Mariners having a payroll of $100M is maximizing their ability to win given their revenue sources.
There are teams like Oakland and Tampa that clearly lack some revenue streams and have to go about things a little differently. They not only are smarter about how they spend their money, but are more willing to trust their success to younger players that are in the "prove it" stages of their careers. I have no problem using the terms "cost control" in those situations ... although I think that there are
Where I have a problem with "cost control" is in bigger markets where the revenue sources do not require "frugal" spending ... when I hear those teams talk about players being under "cost control," I interpret that as meaning "paying below market wages" and not being committed to winning.
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You're probably right about Oakland being better 1-5. The M's rotation has probably been better through the year, but with the Lester upgrade Oakland probably has the edge now.CuntWaffle said:
In all honesty the fact that they pitch at Safeco can't be disregarded... I am not sure how the stats look regarding out 1-5 but I would think the A's have a slight edge over us at the moment there. Detroit I think is better with a healthy Verlander as well.dnc said:
Yep. Best 1 in baseball. Best 1-2 in baseball. Best 1-2-3 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4 in baseball. Best healthy 1-2-3-4-5 in baseball. And best bullpen on top of that.CuntWaffle said:Best 1-2-3 Pitching punch in all of baseball.
And the offense has gone from terrible to sort of kind of decent, which should be all it takes to get this team into the playoffs with that elite run prevention. Anything can happen, but they're clearly the best team of those in contention for the second wild card.
Still from top to bottom this team does have the best pitching staff in the MLB... which is odd considering the bullpen which seemed to be terrible last year is all but the same except for Rodney.
Obviously I agree Safeco is an advantage, but they're killing it on the road as well, and others including Oakland have pitchers park as well. To do what the M's pitching is doing in the American League is pretty ridiculous, even considering the Safe.
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Oakland has had three great starters before. They still need to win a playoff series and then pop off. They have been to as many World Series as the M's with their vaunted money ball cost control. Once upon a time Oakland went to and won the Series. More than once
