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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,383
    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,383
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    whlinder said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    That’s how I read it based on the tiebreaker order. And why I’m totally rooting for that scenario cause it is so incredibly stupid. The conference fully fired itself into the sun.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    whlinder said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    If true, that's an even more absurd scenario than Utah getting in last year. Who the fuck even writes these rules?
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  • Bread
    Bread Member Posts: 4,100
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    whlinder said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 13,014
    Bread said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    whlinder said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

    We were all right when we said that was a GOOD Arizona team
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,495 Founders Club
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    Bread said:

    whatshouldicareabout said:

    whlinder said:

    bananasnblondes said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

    We were all right when we said that was a GOOD Arizona team
    And SERIOUS about football
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,422 Founders Club
    But how are the new conference championship rules complete shit?

    Previously it was "who won the head to head between the tied teams in the division"?

    UW didn't deserve to go to the championship in 2017. Nobody cared that the game was played on the Farm and not Seattle/Neutral site.

    Desperate move by a desperate conference that made everything worse. Every change they've made makes the overall product worse.
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  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,945
    haie said:

    But how are the new conference championship rules complete shit?

    Previously it was "who won the head to head between the tied teams in the division"?

    UW didn't deserve to go to the championship in 2017. Nobody cared that the game was played on the Farm and not Seattle/Neutral site.

    Desperate move by a desperate conference that made everything worse. Every change they've made makes the overall product worse.

    Without the change, UW goes to the Champ game last year and Oregon sucks a dick for losing the big game when it mattered. Instead, we get all the media talking about how fucking Utah is a back to back winner and how Oregon was the better team and will clearly, obviously, undisputedly win in the champ game.

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