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Pac12 tiebreaker question

CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,379 Founders Club


Saw some asking a question on the tiebreaker if there’s a tie for 2nd in the pac. I could’ve sworn the playoff rankings were the tie breaker, i.e., highest ranked of teams tied gets in but someone else said worst lost was the tie breaker.

I’m too lazy to look it up. Does anyone know?
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  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,505 Swaye's Wigwam
    You’re right
  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,379 Founders Club
    I’m still claiming great success but I think the other guy was right, he just didn’t state it clearly.

    https://gojoebruin.com/2023/11/02/ucla-football-what-they-need-to-happen-to-go-to-pac-12-championship-game/

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Fuck the tie breaker. Run the table
  • dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,097 Swaye's Wigwam
    FireCohen said:

    Fuck the tie breaker. Run the table

    Damn it, man. That can be viewed as a positive comment. Comment didn’t even hold for 53 seconds.
  • LaZorisLaZoris Member Posts: 1,726 Standard Supporter
    LOL @ the pac 12 once again !
  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 4,803 Standard Supporter
    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
  • NeGgaPlEaSeNeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,729
    edited November 2023
    FireCohen said:

    Fuck the tie breaker. Run the table

    #5 Washington @ #11-13 Oregon State will be the toughest game on the schedule but will move Washington into the top streaks of schedule
  • bananasnblondesbananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,275
    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 4,803 Standard Supporter

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
  • whlinderwhlinder Member Posts: 4,803 Standard Supporter

    whlinder said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    That’s how I read it based on the tiebreaker order. And why I’m totally rooting for that scenario cause it is so incredibly stupid. The conference fully fired itself into the sun.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    whlinder said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    If true, that's an even more absurd scenario than Utah getting in last year. Who the fuck even writes these rules?
  • BreadBread Member Posts: 4,042

    whlinder said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,735 Swaye's Wigwam
    Bread said:

    whlinder said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

    We were all right when we said that was a GOOD Arizona team
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,955 Founders Club

    Bread said:

    whlinder said:

    whlinder said:

    I got in to this a bit this morning.


    Two-Team Tie

    If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
    If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures shall be applied.
    Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
    Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
    Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
    Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss

    Multiple-Team Ties

    In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tie-breaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.

    Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
    Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie)
    Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
    When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
    Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule)
    Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
    Coin toss


    The funny scenario is USC over Oregon plus Arizona winning out, and UW continuing to win (or I guess just beating OSU). That gets Oregon, USC and Arizona all to 7-2 (Oregon/USC winning their final games).

    USC would lose that tiebreaker due to their Utah loss while the other two beat Utah. Then it gets to H2H between Arizona and Oregon. They didn't play, and played 8 out of 9 similar opponents, both going 6-2 against them. The difference is UO played Cal while Arizona played UCLA, so it would come down to the Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule) tiebreak. UCLA has a 2 game lead on Cal and still has to play ASU, and plays Cal in the last week of the season.
    Wouldn't USC get in in that situation because they would have beaten both Oregon and Arizona head-to-head?
    Oregon and Arizona didn't play so H2H can't be used.
    So USC is 2-0, Oregon is 0-1, and Arizona is 0-1, but because UO and Arizona didn't play, they can't use H2H? Even though USC would still win by default?

    The Pac-12 deserves its death
    Yes, and then USC gets eliminated for losing to Utah, and Arizona wins the tie breaker versus Oregon due to UCLA having a better record then Cal.

    We were all right when we said that was a GOOD Arizona team
    And SERIOUS about football
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,900 Swaye's Wigwam
    But how are the new conference championship rules complete shit?

    Previously it was "who won the head to head between the tied teams in the division"?

    UW didn't deserve to go to the championship in 2017. Nobody cared that the game was played on the Farm and not Seattle/Neutral site.

    Desperate move by a desperate conference that made everything worse. Every change they've made makes the overall product worse.
  • LawDawg1LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,869
    haie said:

    But how are the new conference championship rules complete shit?

    Previously it was "who won the head to head between the tied teams in the division"?

    UW didn't deserve to go to the championship in 2017. Nobody cared that the game was played on the Farm and not Seattle/Neutral site.

    Desperate move by a desperate conference that made everything worse. Every change they've made makes the overall product worse.

    Without the change, UW goes to the Champ game last year and Oregon sucks a dick for losing the big game when it mattered. Instead, we get all the media talking about how fucking Utah is a back to back winner and how Oregon was the better team and will clearly, obviously, undisputedly win in the champ game.

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