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BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,033 Standard Supporter
Campaigns are staffed, monies raised, saw the first door knocker yesterday.

Abortion will again hurt the Reps. It cost them the election 3 years ago and while there will be some who vote Rep this time due to many emerging societal issues, the overwhelming majority of abortion
only voters will still vote rat. The world could be coming to an end and the dems would be doing whatever they had to do to rile up minorities and abortion only voters.

The economy is not enough to win anymore, rat rolls are filled with abortion only voters and the Reps couldn't leave well enough alone, they had to continue to poke the bear. However, the border has become a serious problem for rats. The bussing has worked perfectly to expose dishonest and unprepared virtue signaling rats who declared themselves "sanctuary cities". The violence heaped on many rat run cities by anti-police soros funded DA's, Gov's and Mayor's has also taken a toll. Top that all off with the homeless problem, created 100% by whacko liberals, and you can see there is a lot of ammo for Reps to use to fight the abortion only crowd.

What is the point?

WTF are Reps all in with Trump? There are other intriguing candidates that hate the lefts bullshit just as much as Trump does. I love what Trump did with the economy, and really enjoyed his outsider perspective and approach to running the country. Best of all I loved watching him stick his nose up at the very elite of the self flagellating liberal leaders around the world. Pure enjoyment. But he has too much baggage and for the life of me I don't understand why he won't stop with the tweet type messaging.

Reps can win with any number of other candidates. My top 3 in no particular order are Nikki Haley, Vivek, Desantis. You don't have to like my choices, get behind your own, but Reps are making it too hard on themselves. It is either Trump or nothing Rep voters seem to be saying. Well, nothing is another 4 years of the last 3 pieces of shit years. Do we really want to see rats continue to degrade the level of life we have in this country? What bothers me most is the freedoms and corruption they are taking away. I don't think the country can recover quickly if there is another 4 years of this corruption.

So why does Rep leadership not get behind someone less divisive who can do a good job leading this country? It is the easier path.

All that said, my friends who are still involved in politics at a local, state and national level just scratch their heads in amazement. Biden is so beatable but Reps seem bound and determined to climb the steepest mountain.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,238 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2023
    So why does Rep leadership not get behind someone less divisive who can do a good job leading this country? It is the easier path.

    You assume the GOP leadership wants someone doing a good job leading this country.

    They don't.

    Their job is to be the Washington Generals and only lose by the spread.



  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,607 Swaye's Wigwam

    Campaigns are staffed, monies raised, saw the first door knocker yesterday.

    Abortion will again hurt the Reps. It cost them the election 3 years ago and while there will be some who vote Rep this time due to many emerging societal issues, the overwhelming majority of abortion
    only voters will still vote rat. The world could be coming to an end and the dems would be doing whatever they had to do to rile up minorities and abortion only voters.

    The economy is not enough to win anymore, rat rolls are filled with abortion only voters and the Reps couldn't leave well enough alone, they had to continue to poke the bear. However, the border has become a serious problem for rats. The bussing has worked perfectly to expose dishonest and unprepared virtue signaling rats who declared themselves "sanctuary cities". The violence heaped on many rat run cities by anti-police soros funded DA's, Gov's and Mayor's has also taken a toll. Top that all off with the homeless problem, created 100% by whacko liberals, and you can see there is a lot of ammo for Reps to use to fight the abortion only crowd.

    What is the point?

    WTF are Reps all in with Trump? There are other intriguing candidates that hate the lefts bullshit just as much as Trump does. I love what Trump did with the economy, and really enjoyed his outsider perspective and approach to running the country. Best of all I loved watching him stick his nose up at the very elite of the self flagellating liberal leaders around the world. Pure enjoyment. But he has too much baggage and for the life of me I don't understand why he won't stop with the tweet type messaging.

    Reps can win with any number of other candidates. My top 3 in no particular order are Nikki Haley, Vivek, Desantis. You don't have to like my choices, get behind your own, but Reps are making it too hard on themselves. It is either Trump or nothing Rep voters seem to be saying. Well, nothing is another 4 years of the last 3 pieces of shit years. Do we really want to see rats continue to degrade the level of life we have in this country? What bothers me most is the freedoms and corruption they are taking away. I don't think the country can recover quickly if there is another 4 years of this corruption.

    So why does Rep leadership not get behind someone less divisive who can do a good job leading this country? It is the easier path.

    All that said, my friends who are still involved in politics at a local, state and national level just scratch their heads in amazement. Biden is so beatable but Reps seem bound and determined to climb the steepest mountain.

    Nikki Haley would get some good vibes on MSNBC for not being Trump. And then no one would who praised her would actually vote for her. I respect your opinions generally, but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it.

    Trump has his issues for sure, but he's the only one that can actually win from the Republican side.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    Trump is by far the best GOP candidate on abortion because he doesn't have to pander for the nomination like 5 week Ron and the rest

    Trump's position is the general election winner and he can accurately paint the democrats as abortion till birth and maybe after

    Anyone is free to beat him. Nikki is gaining, Ron is falling. The No Trump crowd put all their eggs in the DeSantis basket.

    Trump is beating Biden. Voters are catching on to the abject corruption, the shitty economy and the looting in the streets

    Here's a thought - join forces behind the leader. The guy with the giant loyal base

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    Democrats are divisive. Who cares if Trump is? Not me. I want to divide the commie motherfuckers right out of government
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,033 Standard Supporter
    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,375 Standard Supporter

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Will see how it gets marketed. Trump is no more divisive than the "uniter" dementia patient. The autoworker video is spot on. Trump has the better (at least popular) view on abortion than any dem or republican candidate. And Trump doesn't give a sh*t about scratching open dem scabs on the border, gas prices, inflation, education, crime and homelessness.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    Just a minor shift in mainstream media coverage has done Biden immense harm. Trump is the guy that is causing the panic and getting the democrats and their lapdogs thinking about a replacement. Everyone says Newsom - ok let's put California on the ballot. I like that match up

    Contrary to popular opinion it is Trump's 91 indictments that has shifted the focus to the pedophile in chief and his selling out of America to the highest bidder

    The border is turning red states blue with rage over having to put up with what Texas and Arizona have to live with for years

    That wall looks pretty damn good now. Trump looks pretty damn good now. The Trump economy looks fucking awesome now

    If Trump were a democrat with these numbers and issues there wouldn't be a primary. It's fine that GOP folks are running against Trump. Please be ready to take your defeat like a man or woman in the case of Nikki and band together to win

    As has been proven with DeSantis - any GOP candidate can be destroyed and made to look divisive and stupid and everything else. We? need to stop falling for it

    I was ready to back Ron if he could do it. He can't. Time to move on
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,238 Standard Supporter

    Just a minor shift in mainstream media coverage has done Biden immense harm. Trump is the guy that is causing the panic and getting the democrats and their lapdogs thinking about a replacement. Everyone says Newsom - ok let's put California on the ballot. I like that match up

    Contrary to popular opinion it is Trump's 91 indictments that has shifted the focus to the pedophile in chief and his selling out of America to the highest bidder

    The border is turning red states blue with rage over having to put up with what Texas and Arizona have to live with for years

    That wall looks pretty damn good now. Trump looks pretty damn good now. The Trump economy looks fucking awesome now

    If Trump were a democrat with these numbers and issues there wouldn't be a primary. It's fine that GOP folks are running against Trump. Please be ready to take your defeat like a man or woman in the case of Nikki and band together to win

    As has been proven with DeSantis - any GOP candidate can be destroyed and made to look divisive and stupid and everything else. We? need to stop falling for it

    I was ready to back Ron if he could do it. He can't. Time to move on

    Cal too high as always.


  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,035 Swaye's Wigwam
    Didn't vote for Trump in 2016- but I did in 2020. The difference in the two election cycles was results. If Trump could get away from disparaging other republicans and just speak to his record he would waltz to a second term. He's going to be the nominee so no sense in beating up folks who you'll need to campaign for you in 14 months.

    I like Desantis- he kept Florida open during the pandemic, stood up to the woke and he's growing the population of his state by being tax friendly. I don't understand the vitriol other conservatives have for him just because he's not Trump. Desantis isn't going to run as a third party but I think Trump, would essentially handing the Oval Office to the dems for another four years.

    It's ok to like both candidates- it doesn't mean you hate the other.

    I don't think abortion is going to be the issue for 2024 when inflation is still high and the stock market is stagnant with fears of recession just around the corner. We don't have law and order in many of the biggest cities in the country, we're funding a proxy war with no end in sight and the current leadership is focused on having transvestites to the White House.

    Trump needs to focus his attacks on Biden and that's it. Do this and Republicans have Presidency, the House, and a conservative based SC.


  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,375 Standard Supporter

    Didn't vote for Trump in 2016- but I did in 2020. The difference in the two election cycles was results. If Trump could get away from disparaging other republicans and just speak to his record he would waltz to a second term. He's going to be the nominee so no sense in beating up folks who you'll need to campaign for you in 14 months.

    I like Desantis- he kept Florida open during the pandemic, stood up to the woke and he's growing the population of his state by being tax friendly. I don't understand the vitriol other conservatives have for him just because he's not Trump. Desantis isn't going to run as a third party but I think Trump, would essentially handing the Oval Office to the dems for another four years.

    It's ok to like both candidates- it doesn't mean you hate the other.

    I don't think abortion is going to be the issue for 2024 when inflation is still high and the stock market is stagnant with fears of recession just around the corner. We don't have law and order in many of the biggest cities in the country, we're funding a proxy war with no end in sight and the current leadership is focused on having transvestites to the White House.

    Trump needs to focus his attacks on Biden and that's it. Do this and Republicans have Presidency, the House, and a conservative based SC.


    Your wrong on abortion as an issue for lots of white women who otherwise would be disposed to vote against a dem. For many of them its purely emotional and not a balanced support based on all the issues that effect Americans. A four month limit on abortion can be sold as a bipartisan compromise. The abortion in the ninth month dems is also a tough sell to a woman who has other concerns.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,607 Swaye's Wigwam

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Fuck around with Trump's base turnout at your own peril. Many are not coming out to vote for Nikki and her bloodthirst for Ukraine. She is going to beat out Ron almost assuredly, as this board predicted.

  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
    Bob_C said:

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Fuck around with Trump's base turnout at your own peril. Many are not coming out to vote for Nikki and her bloodthirst for Ukraine. She is going to beat out Ron almost assuredly, as this board predicted.

    I have zero interest in voting for a neocon.

    I might do so purely as a vote against Biden but a massive amount of the base would be either lost or dissolved.

    You think Nikki Haley is going to get black or hispanic voters to flip? Lulz

    The Bush era GOP is fucking DOA and good riddance.
  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,035 Swaye's Wigwam

    Didn't vote for Trump in 2016- but I did in 2020. The difference in the two election cycles was results. If Trump could get away from disparaging other republicans and just speak to his record he would waltz to a second term. He's going to be the nominee so no sense in beating up folks who you'll need to campaign for you in 14 months.

    I like Desantis- he kept Florida open during the pandemic, stood up to the woke and he's growing the population of his state by being tax friendly. I don't understand the vitriol other conservatives have for him just because he's not Trump. Desantis isn't going to run as a third party but I think Trump, would essentially handing the Oval Office to the dems for another four years.

    It's ok to like both candidates- it doesn't mean you hate the other.

    I don't think abortion is going to be the issue for 2024 when inflation is still high and the stock market is stagnant with fears of recession just around the corner. We don't have law and order in many of the biggest cities in the country, we're funding a proxy war with no end in sight and the current leadership is focused on having transvestites to the White House.

    Trump needs to focus his attacks on Biden and that's it. Do this and Republicans have Presidency, the House, and a conservative based SC.


    Your wrong on abortion as an issue for lots of white women who otherwise would be disposed to vote against a dem. For many of them its purely emotional and not a balanced support based on all the issues that effect Americans. A four month limit on abortion can be sold as a bipartisan compromise. The abortion in the ninth month dems is also a tough sell to a woman who has other concerns.
    Stacy Abrams had nothing to run on in 2022 and focused only on abortion. She had all those votes locked up already and wasn't gaining anymore by running fear ads nonstop.

    Trump is already backing himself away from heartbeat bills. His message to voters needs to be, we let the States decide, which is part of his overall message that we're not cramming Federal government down your throats. Back it up with pushing the FDC to approve more over the counter birth control. Then come out swinging that Biden wants it legal up to the moment of birth. It's time the Republicans took the offensive and made dems get on record about some issues.

    Once he addresses abortion- move onto inflation which is going to hit those same white women but at a much higher percentage.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    edited September 2023
    There is a 60 year old woman in our office well past the age of abortion that still gets visibly mad talking about men telling women what to do with their body

    It's just a thing

    The midway approach is the electoral winner. 3-4 months. Not weeks and not up to birth

    Personally I like the heartbeat approach because we know a lot more now that we knew in 1972. But I don't need the president to back or even think it should be law because it won't change minds. Quite the opposite it is used to show how mean old GOP men want to put ya all in chanins
  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,710 Swaye's Wigwam

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Will see how it gets marketed. Trump is no more divisive than the "uniter" dementia patient. The autoworker video is spot on. Trump has the better (at least popular) view on abortion than any dem or republican candidate. And Trump doesn't give a sh*t about scratching open dem scabs on the border, gas prices, inflation, education, crime and homelessness.
    2020 and 2022 election cycles would disagree with you.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Will see how it gets marketed. Trump is no more divisive than the "uniter" dementia patient. The autoworker video is spot on. Trump has the better (at least popular) view on abortion than any dem or republican candidate. And Trump doesn't give a sh*t about scratching open dem scabs on the border, gas prices, inflation, education, crime and homelessness.
    2020 and 2022 election cycles would disagree with you.
    No they wouldn't
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,238 Standard Supporter
    MelloDawg said:

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Will see how it gets marketed. Trump is no more divisive than the "uniter" dementia patient. The autoworker video is spot on. Trump has the better (at least popular) view on abortion than any dem or republican candidate. And Trump doesn't give a sh*t about scratching open dem scabs on the border, gas prices, inflation, education, crime and homelessness.
    2020 and 2022 election cycles would disagree with you.
    If you can't recall who you voted for, how the fuck do you know what the 2020 and 2022 election cycles agree or disagree with.

    Fuck off.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,607 Swaye's Wigwam
    MelloDawg said:

    "but this post has a lot of 2012 Mitt is electable in it."

    Think about what you just said. The all in on Trump perspective has an awful lot of 2020 in it.

    I respect everyone's opinion on this. If Trump is the guy in the end, he gets my vote, but other than The Bitch (who also learned the hard way), he is the most divisive presidential candidate in memory.

    Will see how it gets marketed. Trump is no more divisive than the "uniter" dementia patient. The autoworker video is spot on. Trump has the better (at least popular) view on abortion than any dem or republican candidate. And Trump doesn't give a sh*t about scratching open dem scabs on the border, gas prices, inflation, education, crime and homelessness.
    2020 and 2022 election cycles would disagree with you.
    Dems lost the house in 2022. Are you saying they should've lost even more seats because of how bad the economy is?
  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,035 Swaye's Wigwam

    There is a 60 year old woman in our office well past the age of abortion that still gets visibly mad talking about men telling women what to do with their body

    It's just a thing

    The midway approach is the electoral winner. 3-4 months. Not weeks and not up to birth

    Personally I like the heartbeat approach because we know a lot more now that we knew in 1972. But I don't need the president to back or even think it should be law because it won't change minds. Quite the opposite it is used to show how mean old GOP men want to put ya all in chanins

    That's why he needs to go with the statement of returning control back to the states. And then stay out of it. The dems brought this on with up to the "moment of birth" and the pendulum hit them in the face. No need to give it potential energy.

    After the soundbite of less fed interference, remind voters that when he was in office companies were giving bonus checks and now its layoff notices

  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,607 Swaye's Wigwam

    There is a 60 year old woman in our office well past the age of abortion that still gets visibly mad talking about men telling women what to do with their body

    It's just a thing

    The midway approach is the electoral winner. 3-4 months. Not weeks and not up to birth

    Personally I like the heartbeat approach because we know a lot more now that we knew in 1972. But I don't need the president to back or even think it should be law because it won't change minds. Quite the opposite it is used to show how mean old GOP men want to put ya all in chanins

    That's why he needs to go with the statement of returning control back to the states. And then stay out of it. The dems brought this on with up to the "moment of birth" and the pendulum hit them in the face. No need to give it potential energy.

    After the soundbite of less fed interference, remind voters that when he was in office companies were giving bonus checks and now its layoff notices

    Everyone agrees that this is a state's issue. Unintended consequence is that state's are going to have ballot measures specifically addressing this. They will and have used this tactic to drive turnout, Michigan last year a perfect example.
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