Immigration: Something I have been wondering...

Swaye

I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

GrundleStiltzkin

Wwhhyyyy is it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72CNy9GLq0

Swaye

Question. Why is it that Beavis is fiddling with his wiener 15 times a day for 3 months? Funk that.

GrundleStiltzkin

It's a win for the Mexican gúbementé. The economy is underachieving and under-utilized. They can an easy out, if not a systemic fix, by end vast numbers of poor people, who'd otherwise be using Mexican resources, out of the country. At the same time, Mexicans send back home billions annually.

GrundleStiltzkin

Swaye said:

Question. Why is it that Beavis is fiddling with his wiener 15 times a day for 3 months? Funk that.

Immediate answers to most life questions can be found in Beavis & Butthead clips.

AZDuck

Apparently the Mexican government publishes a guide for people leaving, so I'd say immigrants leave with their country's blessing.

http://www.banderasnews.com/0506/nr-guia01.htm

INTRODUCTION

Dear Countryman:

This guide is meant to give you some practical advice that could be useful if you have made the difficult decision to seek new labor opportunities outside your country.

The safe way to enter another country is to obtain your passport from the Mexican foreign ministry, and a visa from the embassy or consulate of the country to which you wish to travel.

Still, in practice we see many cases of Mexicans who try to cross the northern border without the necessary documents, traveling through dangerous terrain, which includes deserts and rivers with strong and sometimes invisible currents.

Swaye

AZDuck said:

Apparently the Mexican government publishes a guide for people leaving, so I'd say immigrants leave with their country's blessing.

http://www.banderasnews.com/0506/nr-guia01.htm

INTRODUCTION

Dear Countryman:

This guide is meant to give you some practical advice that could be useful if you have made the difficult decision to seek new labor opportunities outside your country.

The safe way to enter another country is to obtain your passport from the Mexican foreign ministry, and a visa from the embassy or consulate of the country to which you wish to travel.

Still, in practice we see many cases of Mexicans who try to cross the northern border without the necessary documents, traveling through dangerous terrain, which includes deserts and rivers with strong and sometimes invisible currents.

Holy fuckall. Thanks. Guess that answers that. So, from a polical/economic perspective, Mexico seems to be fucking us. Nice.

Swaye

Who would have thought that deeply insightful knowledge canbe gained from HH. And Beavis and Butthead. What a great day to be a 1%er.

doogsinparadise

I'm hearing that Central Americans are dominating the current wave of immigration, rather than Mexicans. But that's just what I'm hearing.

AZDuck

Well... they aren't fucking us IMO as we are each using the situation for mutual advantage. Mexico gets to use us as a safety valve for their internal social problems, we get cheap labor. I've been of the belief for a long time that if the US wanted to get serious about illegal aliens we could by going after the employers - but the fact is that the cheap labor is very good for many sectors of our economy: farming, meat packing and construction come to mind.

Of course, the second and third order effects are the demographic changes and the Hispanicization of the Southwest.

GrundleStiltzkin

Swaye said:

Who would have thought that deeply insightful knowledge canbe gained from HH. And Beavis and Butthead. What a great day to be a 1%er.

I stand with our President and the #99percent

Swaye

I did read that Mexico is getting pissed about Central Americans crossing into their southern border. Kind of funny. They encourage it when it is us taking their people, but get pissy when someone does it to them. Faggots.

GrundleStiltzkin

Swaye said:

I did read that Mexico is getting pissed about Central Americans crossing into their southern border. Kind of funny. They encourage it when it is us taking their people, but get pissy when someone does it to them. Faggots.

Some borders are more equal than others.

GrundleStiltzkin

AZDuck said:

Well... they aren't fucking us IMO as we are each using the situation for mutual advantage. Mexico gets to use us as a safety valve for their internal social problems, we get cheap labor. I've been of the belief for a long time that if the US wanted to get serious about illegal aliens we could by going after the employers - but the fact is that the cheap labor is very good for many sectors of our economy: farming, meat packing and construction come to mind.

Of course, the second and third order effects are the demographic changes and the Hispanicization of the Southwest.

Read this book a few years ago, http://www.amazon.com/The-Next-100-Years-Forecast/dp/0767923057 . One of the projections therein was that basically Mexico would take back the Southwest, Gadsden be damned.

AZDuck

This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

PurpleJ

I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

PurpleJ

La Raza is loving this thread, by the way.

GrundleStiltzkin

AZDuck said:

This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.

GrundleStiltzkin

PurpleJ said:

I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as always

PurpleJ

GrundleStiltzkin said:

PurpleJ said:

I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as always

Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!

GrundleStiltzkin

PurpleJ said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

PurpleJ said:

I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as always

Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!

Mannyfest Destineé is a wonderful gay bar. Manifest Destiny is a horrible white male instrument of hegemony.