Immigration: Something I have been wondering...
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I did read that Mexico is getting pissed about Central Americans crossing into their southern border. Kind of funny. They encourage it when it is us taking their people, but get pissy when someone does it to them. Faggots.
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Some borders are more equal than others.Swaye said:I did read that Mexico is getting pissed about Central Americans crossing into their southern border. Kind of funny. They encourage it when it is us taking their people, but get pissy when someone does it to them. Faggots.
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Read this book a few years ago, http://www.amazon.com/The-Next-100-Years-Forecast/dp/0767923057 . One of the projections therein was that basically Mexico would take back the Southwest, Gadsden be damned.AZDuck said:Well... they aren't fucking us IMO as we are each using the situation for mutual advantage. Mexico gets to use us as a safety valve for their internal social problems, we get cheap labor. I've been of the belief for a long time that if the US wanted to get serious about illegal aliens we could by going after the employers - but the fact is that the cheap labor is very good for many sectors of our economy: farming, meat packing and construction come to mind.
Of course, the second and third order effects are the demographic changes and the Hispanicization of the Southwest. -
This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.
The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.
Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán
I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise. -
I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.
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La Raza is loving this thread, by the way.
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American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.AZDuck said:This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.
The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.
Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán
I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.
That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez. -
Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as alwaysPurpleJ said:I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.
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Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as alwaysPurpleJ said:I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.
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Mannyfest Destineé is a wonderful gay bar. Manifest Destiny is a horrible white male instrument of hegemony.PurpleJ said:
Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as alwaysPurpleJ said:I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.
