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Immigration: Something I have been wondering...

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  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    But don't demographics support the notion that Mexico will have basically taken back the Southwest in 30 years? I mean, this shit is happening. The only question is whether they will be good integrated Americans, or little Mexico.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

    Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as always
    Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!
    Mannyfest Destineé is a wonderful gay bar. Manifest Destiny is a horrible white male instrument of hegemony.
    My friend fucked a chick named Destineé one time. Now it burns when he pees.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    But don't demographics support the notion that Mexico will have basically taken back the Southwest in 30 years? I mean, this shit is happening. The only question is whether they will be good integrated Americans, or little Mexico.

    First is demographics, then down the road full on secession under guise of national affinity to Mexico, not the US.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,789
    Most of them are sending money back. Pretty sure it's a big win for Mexico - jobs for Messicans who stay there are easier to come by, and American money is coming in.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,789
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

    Your Norteamericano imperialism is disgusting as always
    Manifest Destiny bitches!!!!
    Mannyfest Destineé is a wonderful gay bar. Manifest Destiny is a horrible white male instrument of hegemony.
    My friend fucked a chick named Destineé one time. Now it burns when he pees.
    How long have you been frens with Mike Price?

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  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    AZDuck said:

    This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

    The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

    Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

    I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

    So... you don't know who your daddy is?
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited July 2014

    AZDuck said:

    This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

    The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

    Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

    I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

    So... you don't know who your daddy is?
    Huh?

    #nuclearfamilysuperiorityguy

    TEAM HALF-BREED

  • Bad_MotherDuckerBad_MotherDucker Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,337 Swaye's Wigwam
    Swaye said:

    But don't demographics support the notion that Mexico will have basically taken back the Southwest in 30 years? I mean, this shit is happening. The only question is whether they will be good integrated Americans, or little Mexico.

    Does this mean I'll be able to wager on bullfights at El Estadio de Tucson?

    Need something to fill the dead season between end of March Madness and football.

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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    I'm hearing that Central Americans are dominating the current wave of immigration, rather than Mexicans. But that's just what I'm hearing.

    LIPO
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,506 Standard Supporter

    AZDuck said:

    This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

    The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

    Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

    I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

    American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

    That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.
    Chavez was a U.S. born citizen. And was not happy with illegals.
    Yeah, but still.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,789

    AZDuck said:

    This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

    The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

    Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

    I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

    American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

    That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.
    Chavez was a U.S. born citizen. And was not happy with illegals.
    Or so he claims. Did you ever see his birth certificate? Didn't think so.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Swaye said:

    I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

    Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

    It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    They sure are smart for a bunch of lazy motherfuckers
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    They sure are smart for a bunch of lazy motherfuckers

    How do you starve a Mexican?

    Hide his food stamps under his work boots! LOL!!!!1111!!!!1111!!!!FUCK11!!!!
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    i thought a lot of the recent wannabe immigrants were from Honduras?
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,149 Founders Club
    edited July 2014

    AZDuck said:

    This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

    The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

    Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

    I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

    American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

    That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.
    Back 100 years ago, an Eye-talian would come to New Jersey or whereever, and that was pretty much it. Phones weren't real prevalent, they were usually poor (sound familiar?), and it cost a lot to take a boat back home. So they were cut off. They had to try and make it and assimilate.

    Now you have border jumpers who want to keep one foot in the EE UU and one foot in Mexico. If they're from a northern part of Mexico and live in the southern part of a southern border state, it's pretty easy to cross. It's not uncommon for a family living here to take off to Nogales Sonora or Hermosillo for a week or two (or more). It's kind of a problem when the kids miss a bunch of school and get behind...but hey, let's blame the teacher's unions for that..sorry, couldn't resist...
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    PurpleJ said:

    I might get some shit for this, but why don't we just annex Messico? Divide it up into some states, make sure Chihuahua is one of them, and everything could be peachy. I have no doubt that we could run their country better than they can. They can still move up to Arizona and Texas as much as they want, and I can go get some beachfront property in the Gulf on our newest addition to American soil.

    It's actually not a bad idea IMO.

    But, the right wingers would never go for it.

    They'd be too worried that it would just make it easier for all of the "illegals" to get free health care and education.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,428 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

    Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

    It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.
    Is it cool if people send money home to their relatives in Ukraine? What about Cambodia? Are people allowed to give money away to others as they see fit? Or is that not cool?

    We get plenty of piñata over there, by the way. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for an American to invest their money in a business in Mexico, and vice versa.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    PurpleJ said:

    Swaye said:

    I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

    Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

    It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.
    Is it cool if people send money home to their relatives in Ukraine? What about Cambodia? Are people allowed to give money away to others as they see fit? Or is that not cool?

    We get plenty of piñata over there, by the way. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for an American to invest their money in a business in Mexico, and vice versa.
    You're denser than a fucking Redwood tree.
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