Hobert to Bailey. The 91 team was a running team which limited their opportunities. Bailey and Hobert weren't even playing in the 4th quarter in half the games either. Picket to Williams aired the ball out almost every play. Completely different offenses.
I think Pickett is probably the most underrated QB to go through UW. Talent wise, a healthy Pickett is arguably better than both those guys. A true what could have been guy IMO.
For sure. Always wondered what happened to his senior year when he regressed. The whole firing Rick in the summer was bad for the team but I've never understood how it made Cody so much worse as a QB. He surely would have jumped to the draft before his senior year if he had known what was coming.
The other thing with Pickett was how much of the mental side of the game he got. Someone with his talent (not quite as athletic as pre-knee surgery Brunell or Locker but a much better passer) should have done better in the NFL.
Hobert to Bailey. The 91 team was a running team which limited their opportunities. Bailey and Hobert weren't even playing in the 4th quarter in half the games either. Picket to Williams aired the ball out almost every play. Completely different offenses.
Are you saying that if you put Hobert-Bailey on the 2002 or 2003 teams, they would have had more production than Pickett-Williams?
I think Pickett is probably the most underrated QB to go through UW. Talent wise, a healthy Pickett is arguably better than both those guys. A true what could have been guy IMO.
For sure. Always wondered what happened to his senior year when he regressed. The whole firing Rick in the summer was bad for the team but I've never understood how it made Cody so much worse as a QB. He surely would have jumped to the draft before his senior year if he had known what was coming.
The other thing with Pickett was how much of the mental side of the game he got. Someone with his talent (not quite as athletic as pre-knee surgery Brunell or Locker but a much better passer) should have done better in the NFL.
He seemed like the ultimate QB with good skills and athletic ability who had a mediocre record. Having paid for and sat through the 2003 Nevaduh game in the rain, plus the $C game, you can't just use the lack of a running game and coaching as excuses.
I think Pickett is probably the most underrated QB to go through UW. Talent wise, a healthy Pickett is arguably better than both those guys. A true what could have been guy IMO.
For sure. Always wondered what happened to his senior year when he regressed. The whole firing Rick in the summer was bad for the team but I've never understood how it made Cody so much worse as a QB. He surely would have jumped to the draft before his senior year if he had known what was coming.
The other thing with Pickett was how much of the mental side of the game he got. Someone with his talent (not quite as athletic as pre-knee surgery Brunell or Locker but a much better passer) should have done better in the NFL.
My enduring image of Pickett was his running out of bounds on 4th down at the end of the Holiday Bowl. Only chance Huskies had, and admittedly it was a small one, was for him to chuck it down the field. And what does he do? Run out of bounds, game over. Dumbass.
Hobert to Bailey. The 91 team was a running team which limited their opportunities. Bailey and Hobert weren't even playing in the 4th quarter in half the games either. Picket to Williams aired the ball out almost every play. Completely different offenses.
Are you saying that if you put Hobert-Bailey on the 2002 or 2003 teams, they would have had more production than Pickett-Williams?
There is no way to know. What I do know is Hobert to Bailey was much more efficient than Picket to Williams. At the same time, Picket and Williams should not be punished for having a much worse OL, and an almost non existent running game while the 91 team had a great OL and strong running game.
In 91, Mario Bailey had 62 receptions 1037 yards and 17 TD's. Hobert completed 173 passes for 2271yards and 22 TD's. Bailey accounted for 36% of the completed passes, 46% of the yards, and 77% of the TD's.
In 2002, Reggie had 94 receptions for 1454 yards and 11 TD's. Picket completed 365 passes for 4458 yards and 28 TD's. Reggie accounted for 26% of the completed passes, 33% of the yards, and 39% of the TD's.
I know these percentages aren't the end all, be all, but it shows how stats can skew judgment. The 2002 team threw the ball more than twice as often as the 91 team did. Hobert attempted only 285 passes in 1991. Picket attempted 612 in 2002! Like I said bfore, these were completely different offenses.
Hobert to Bailey. The 91 team was a running team which limited their opportunities. Bailey and Hobert weren't even playing in the 4th quarter in half the games either. Picket to Williams aired the ball out almost every play. Completely different offenses.
Are you saying that if you put Hobert-Bailey on the 2002 or 2003 teams, they would have had more production than Pickett-Williams?
There is no way to know. What I do know is Hobert to Bailey was much more efficient than Picket to Williams. At the same time, Picket and Williams should not be punished for having a much worse OL, and an almost non existent running game while the 91 team had a great OL and strong running game.
In 91, Mario Bailey had 62 receptions 1037 yards and 17 TD's. Hobert completed 173 passes for 2271yards and 22 TD's. Bailey accounted for 36% of the completed passes, 46% of the yards, and 77% of the TD's.
In 2002, Reggie had 94 receptions for 1454 yards and 11 TD's. Picket completed 365 passes for 4458 yards and 28 TD's. Reggie accounted for 26% of the completed passes, 33% of the yards, and 39% of the TD's.
I know these percentages aren't the end all, be all, but it shows how stats can skew judgment. The 2002 team threw the ball more than twice as often as the 91 team did. Hobert attempted only 285 passes in 1991. Picket attempted 612 in 2002! Like I said bfore, these were completely different offenses.
Good poont re: the efficiency of Hobert-Bailey. As you said, too many other factors to really know for sure. Running game, OL, coaching, and threat of other receivers all matter but are impossible to measure in the stats. I had forgotten that Mario had so many TDs though, which is a great argument in itself.
Side story: when Reggie Williams was a freshman and showed up for his first practice, he told the rest of the team he was the best athlete on the field. In response to this claim, the seniors taped him to the goalpoast and shaved his eyebrows. Source: sources
He seemed like the ultimate QB with good skills and athletic ability who had a mediocre record. Having paid for and sat through the 2003 Nevaduh game in the rain, plus the $C game, you can't just use the lack of a running game and coaching as excuses.
RW was the most talented WR and played in a pass heavy offense, yet he disappeared in a bunch of games where we needed someone to make a play (twice against UCLA, Purdue in the El Paso bowl come to mind). He tore up WSU and Oregon which was pretty big, but I still remember frequently wondering where the fuck he had disappeared to.
Bailey seemed to always make something happen when it was needed. He also played in a run oriented offense and still put up big numbers. Bailey/Hobert/Brunell wins. Not by a landslide but comfortably.
RW was the most talented WR and played in a pass heavy offense, yet he disappeared in a bunch of games where we needed someone to make a play (twice against UCLA, Purdue in the El Paso bowl come to mind). He tore up WSU and Oregon which was pretty big, but I still remember frequently wondering where the fuck he had disappeared to.
Bailey seemed to always make something happen when it was needed. He also played in a run oriented offense and still put up big numbers. Bailey/Hobert/Brunell wins. Not by a landslide but comfortably.
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The other thing with Pickett was how much of the mental side of the game he got. Someone with his talent (not quite as athletic as pre-knee surgery Brunell or Locker but a much better passer) should have done better in the NFL.
He seemed like the ultimate QB with good skills and athletic ability who had a mediocre record. Having paid for and sat through the 2003 Nevaduh game in the rain, plus the $C game, you can't just use the lack of a running game and coaching as excuses.
No Isiah Stanback to wetdream Roy Otis option.
In 91, Mario Bailey had 62 receptions 1037 yards and 17 TD's. Hobert completed 173 passes for 2271yards and 22 TD's. Bailey accounted for 36% of the completed passes, 46% of the yards, and 77% of the TD's.
In 2002, Reggie had 94 receptions for 1454 yards and 11 TD's. Picket completed 365 passes for 4458 yards and 28 TD's. Reggie accounted for 26% of the completed passes, 33% of the yards, and 39% of the TD's.
I know these percentages aren't the end all, be all, but it shows how stats can skew judgment. The 2002 team threw the ball more than twice as often as the 91 team did. Hobert attempted only 285 passes in 1991. Picket attempted 612 in 2002! Like I said bfore, these were completely different offenses.
Side story: when Reggie Williams was a freshman and showed up for his first practice, he told the rest of the team he was the best athlete on the field. In response to this claim, the seniors taped him to the goalpoast and shaved his eyebrows.
Source: sources
Bailey seemed to always make something happen when it was needed. He also played in a run oriented offense and still put up big numbers. Bailey/Hobert/Brunell wins. Not by a landslide but comfortably.