So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
Just reminded me of a great Rolling Stone article from P.J. O'Rourke I read in about 1985 entitled: Terror of the Euroweenies.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.
Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
Schumer said yesterday that Republicans will be to blame for Ukraine because they insist on holding up money over border policies. The inverse could also be said that the blood is on Schumer's hands because he is willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep status quo at the border.
Also, Republicans are stupid the think that money will help the border problem.
Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.
I don't. Any other questions?
And ftr you can go check, I was FOR tying Ukraine aid to border funding.
Seriously, have half of you even read this fucking thread?
At least @Bob_C@RaceBannon and I can have a fucking conversation. We've already been over the "scarcity of resources" in the fed about five times.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Trump was RIGHT and FIRST on NATO.
Unwittingly Biden and Putin have been able to bumble their way into the greatest NATO resurgence since the Cold War ended.
Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
Zelensky is an enemy of America and democracy aligned with Americans who are the same
Fuck that piece of shit. Close the border and hold the money hostage. America first
Schumer said yesterday that Republicans will be to blame for Ukraine because they insist on holding up money over border policies. The inverse could also be said that the blood is on Schumer's hands because he is willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep status quo at the border.
Also, Republicans are stupid the think that money will help the border problem.
It's not money it's enforcement
And NOC
At least I know when an Atacms is sent I'm getting dead Russians for my money.
It's a low bar but still probably some of the best ROI on the federal portfolio for the American taxpayer.
Que the retard crew to think this means I adore keynesian tax and spend.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
Fucking hippy.
Nah, but we aren't so different you and I, unlike most of the Tug I opposed those wars(that I was alive for).
Trump smoking Solimani and talking shit is 100% one of my favorite examples of how the US should have a fuck around and find out policy without the need to get entangled in foreign wars.
We also mopped Wagner during that era and had war games in the South China Sea. America First and isolationism aren't the same thing.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.
Now list ChYna's evils. Yet they have ALL of our manufacturing and actively attack us on many fronts. Including printing phony ballots.
I'm the biggest ChYna hawk on this board and it's not even close. I helped murder @CirrhosisDawg RIP over it. @creepycoug can confirm. There's enough @haie in my heart for all the communists and fascists of the world.
Well, I'll agree that securing our border is our first international priority. And that includes not outsourcing our manufacturing base to China and allowing them to bring massive amounts of fentanyl into our country. Toss in ceding to them control of the world's strategic metal and mineral production because the dems and their allies think that if the chicoms are using little kids to hand grub out cobalt in the Congo instead of US companies using clean mining techniques that this virtue signaling makes us morally superior. Then on to pharmaceuticals and the failure to hold the chicoms to intellectual property protection for our technology. So, using scarce resources to secure the Ukraine border instead of using them to protect our border and actually deal in the real world with the chicoms doesn't seem to make you a big ChYna hawk. Schumer and McConnell could give a sh*t about securing our border. Neither did "I have a plan" McCarthy and his RINO/dem allies. If you think we should secure the Ukraine border and our border at the same time, at least make the dems make that choice. Right now, that's what Johnson is arguing with not a lot of vocal support from our other ostensible republican leaders and none on the dem side.
I don't. Any other questions?
And ftr you can go check, I was FOR tying Ukraine aid to border funding.
Seriously, have half of you even read this fucking thread?
At least @Bob_C@RaceBannon and I can have a fucking conversation. We've already been over the "scarcity of resources" in the fed about five times.
You don't think protecting the American border isn't our top priority? And supporting tying Ukraine aid to border security isn't the same as a line in the sand with no Ukraine aid unless real border security reform is required. We do have scarce resources, everyone does. Budget priorities will always occur. Currently, all our real border costs are supporting the budget priority of open borders. Open borders are costing more than the $100 billion that the dementia patient and the dems and their allies want for Ukraine.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.
Europe sucks balls and we should get tough with them in general. Very anti-competitive when it comes to importing US products when there is a European company as competition. In a way I respect it, but we shouldn't put up with it. We have an infatuation with wanting them to respect and like us for some reason and are willing to get ripped off to get that.
Johnson is looking for a way to get Zelensky his money. But he has no choice to but to draw the line at the border. Hell most of us here know anything about the border in this deal will be fake but the democrats still won't do it
President Tail Gunner Joe with the red baiting. It should be noted that McCarthy was actually right about Reds in government and Hollywood. Biden is a piece of shit
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.
Europe sucks balls and we should get tough with them in general. Very anti-competitive when it comes to importing US products when there is a European company as competition. In a way I respect it, but we shouldn't put up with it. We have an infatuation with wanting them to respect and like us for some reason and are willing to get ripped off to get that.
Our elites have that obsession and desire. Americans dgaf.
So are you finally done pumping that money-laundering, lost-cause, corrupt war?
It wasnt a lost cause
Ukraine still exists with 75% of their land under their control
Russia was exposed as a circus, and the US got incredible intel watching them go full WW1 in embarassing fashion
Seems like a W for the USA
You may be are clearly and unequivocally the dumbest person on these boreds.
Losing 25% of a nation's land is a victory in your childish mind.
Keep wearing that helmet, Retard.
For Ukrainians? Maybe, maybe not, depends on how you look at it.
For Russia? Massive L.
For the US at a geopolitical and strategic level? Unequivocally a massive W.
Probably deterred the invasion of Taiwan if nothing else.
Definitely revitalized NATO at an existential level which "isn't" important until it is.
I could list, and already did for our regular readers, at least 10 ways in which it is for the US.
None of that means there shouldn't be better oversight, transparency, and accountability in the US military industrial complex. It's possible to be for both even though some in the Tug can't seem to fathom that.
Unable to achieve its stated objectives of getting Russia out of Ukraine is not a W.
We argued a settlement conceding territory that Russia had in possession plus no Ukraine in NATO. PGOS was arguing spring offensive and getting Russia out of the Ukraine. We could have had a deal before the new Russian invasion but our MIC and our eternal warriors in both parties voted for war. Meanwhile, the chicoms and Cho Bai Den smile.
Why does the US want one of it's major enemies to have a settled peace instead of a bloody meat grinding stalemate they can't escape from?
You guysm switch between "Ukrainians are Nazis!" And "We need peace to save lives!" So fast I can't keep up.
Why specifically are they a major enemy?
You mean besides explicitly stating that in collaboration with the CCP they want to overthrow the US as a global power and upend the western world order? That thing they explicitly stated long before the current Ukrainian conflict?
I could list idk, maybe 20-30 things Russia does on a regular basis to undermine the US off the top of my head. No Google needed. Let's try!
Funding hard leftist organizations like the New Dawn in the US to push political division and internal strife.
Pushing propaganda like "fracking causes unsustainable environmental harm" to destroy US energy production(they succeeded in Europe btw).
Running troll farms to literally just make Americans pissed off at eachother(A Prigozhin specialty RIP)
Spreading anti-vax propaganda for things like measles, mumps, and rubella to increase childhood deaths in the US
Funding anti-American politicians in South America and the Caribbean
Propping up dictators like Maduro with literal Wagner military forces
Yes, they are in fact involved in the fentanyl trade(not as big as the CCP but still)
Funding and propping up anti-American dictators in Africa (There's like almost 10 of these but I won't cheat and name each one)
Steele Dossier disinformation was provided to the Dems basically on request
Did I mention they also push and fund secessionist movements within the US on both sides of the political isle?
Russia actually regularly comes into our arctic economic zones with military assets to push our fishermen and oil exploration out (Trump put a stop to this, guess who let them start again?)
Helping Iran get around US led sanctions
Helping North Korea develop a nuclear weapon (allegedly but c'mon man!)
Funding anti-American/anti-NATO groups in Europe
Specifically pushing the boundaries of non-proliferation treaties
Blowing shit up in space as a denial of space action(pun intended)
Syria..do we need to get into all the details? It ended with a bunch of Wagnerites getting fucking smoked by the US Air Assets.
Massive online state sponsored hacking presence second only to China, I literally get briefed at work on it for cybersecurity
Speaking of cybersecurity, did I mention they target our critical infrastructure? You know...just in case
Backwards engineering our defense tech and then selling it to our enemies such as ChY-na
Specifically selling assets to undermine American "interference" like selling S400 systems to Syria which were basically only good for trying to fight US assets
Engaging in bribery and influence peddling within our own establishment, why do you think such luminaries as Killary, Obama, and John Kerry were for a "reset" in relations?
Helping to arm insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan with old soviet surplus
Selling Soviet surplus to the Cartels
Basically since Putin consolidated power it serves him to re-use the old Soviet propaganda that the West is the boogeyman and to have an adversarial relationship.
Again, they explicitly state we are the enemy. It's neat that so many here think there's some live and let live world beyond our borders but that's not at all how this works.
Edit: Also FRANNY?! goodnight for tonight and good luck out there folks.
We also do most of those things to them in some form also which is their justification for continuing to do those things. It's a death spiral in terms of relations. But it's good business for think tanks I suppose. There's a deal to be made, but it won't happen because of perverse incentives.
Whataboutism potd.
There's some pretty major ones on that list we actually don't do. There have also been some major attempts to bring Russia into the rules based system. Despite what TurdBomber thinks I'm old enough to remember when it was being considered if Russia should join NATO.
That's why I said there's a deal to be made to stop limit this shit on both sides. Being involved in any of this shit has not paid off for us and will never pay. Only Trump and Vivek have pointed this out, and look what happens to them.
Putin is down a hole he's not going to dig his way out of.
Until he's gone there's probably not much to do. Might happen sooner than later with how many internal enemieshe now has. Or maybe he holds onto power as a hermit like Fidel did.
The last "peace" the US negotiated for the Russians used to prepare and launch an attempted Poland style blitzkrieg. It would be dumb to ask for that again.
The Russians and the Chicoms abided with our cease fire with the North Koreans. They also abided with our split of Europe after World War II.
And then Europe said fuck Russia and dissolves the Soviet Union
Europe fought Reagan every step of the way
No argument there. Buncha cucks
And now we are Europe's cucks. We provide security for the oil while they rip us off on trade.
Yeah they need to contribute more.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
It goes far beyond NATO in my opinion. My hypothesis has long been that Europe pushed all the green bullshit onto us so that we'd produce less and we still need to import a lot. Forces our involvement in the middle east to help secure it all which they benefit from immensely at our cost.
Both Russia and Saudi Arabia are/were funding serious opposition to American fracking. The Euros are/were all in on the green gaia fraud and wanted the US manufacturing sector to have the same high energy costs that the Euros do. Cheaper to build BMWs and Mercedes in the US than in Germany. We got involved in saving Libya because we were France and Germany's bitch as usual. Worked out great.
Libya never needed saving in the first place.
We just can’t help but stick our noses into oil fields worldwide.
Once you realize that the CIA and NATO don't ever want anyone to win a war again this stuff makes more sense. Cold war era spy novels were filled with the CIA and KGB making side deals to keep order even if it took some disorder to do it. Vietnam begat Afghanistan which begat Afghanistan again which begat Iraq. Serbia was in there as well. Now its Ukraine and Eastern Europe again
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
You can’t play the war game without an opponent.
The elite have been funding both sides for centuries.
That MIC beast doesn’t feed itself. Peace doesn’t keep three letter agents employed.
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And ftr you can go check, I was FOR tying Ukraine aid to border funding.
Seriously, have half of you even read this fucking thread?
At least @Bob_C @RaceBannon and I can have a fucking conversation. We've already been over the "scarcity of resources" in the fed about five times.
Unwittingly Biden and Putin have been able to bumble their way into the greatest NATO resurgence since the Cold War ended.
Ask yourself why the Obama Biden War Hawk Regime gives so much support to prop up Iran. And why we do deals with China and Trump had to be destroyed for threatening all of the above
I love America. I really do. But I can't go for that. Oh no. Can't go for that. No more
It's a low bar but still probably some of the best ROI on the federal portfolio for the American taxpayer.
Que the retard crew to think this means I adore keynesian tax and spend.
But it's better to be in our position than theirs. Or Russias. Or Chinas.
Nah, but we aren't so different you and I, unlike most of the Tug I opposed those wars(that I was alive for).
Trump smoking Solimani and talking shit is 100% one of my favorite examples of how the US should have a fuck around and find out policy without the need to get entangled in foreign wars.
We also mopped Wagner during that era and had war games in the South China Sea. America First and isolationism aren't the same thing.
President Tail Gunner Joe with the red baiting. It should be noted that McCarthy was actually right about Reds in government and Hollywood. Biden is a piece of shit
We just can’t help but stick our noses into oil fields worldwide.
Same as it ever was.
The elite have been funding both sides for centuries.
That MIC beast doesn’t feed itself. Peace doesn’t keep three letter agents employed.