Looking back at my post, it was stupid to mention Ty and 2007. Those shitty players would have been graduated anyways. However, there was not one upperclass OL in 2012 besides Schaeffer. That was the real issue. Sark does deserve all the blame for getting none in 2009, but it's also wishful thinking that they would be any good when every player but 2 from that class was dreck.
A true freshman Garnett would have played, but the OL still would have sucked. Porter medically retired before the year. Tanigawa, Riva, and Kohler all got hurt in the first two weeks. Any school that loses 4 starters on the OL is going to be in trouble. The depth wasn't there, but part of that is bad luck with injuries. 4 starters being out is rare. The thing is, the OL still would have been below average with all 4 healthy. It was never going to be good.
Ty blew it in 2008, Sark blew it in 2009. Sark tried to take care of it by recruiting 7 in 2010. 4 of those guys got hurt in 2012. Sark completely fucked up 2011 OL recruiting, but true freshman OL aren't going to help much anyways. I agree with you about 2012 hurting Price, but the OL was bound to be shitty that year, and I think that's regardless of who was our coach.
Price didn't get cut because of his stats. He put up good stats (although a lot of QB's do in this era). His health issues hurt him, along with the OL. I'm in complete agreement there. I just don't think the only reason he's not there is Sark. There aren't many QB's smaller than him, and every one I can think of but Chase Daniel is way more mobile than he is.
I really thought he had a decent chance at making the NFL, and maybe he still does. I'll put my money where my mouth is, I bet Sark gets Kessler to the NFL and if he doesn't flame out (he will) the next qb (Max Browne or Ricky Town) will get to the NFL too. He's a shitty coach who will always have undisciplined teams, but he has a decent system for QB's and a track record of getting them to the NFL.
Sark could have mitigated a LOT of the damage by getting JC o-lineman in 2009 and 2010. Again, he was too fucking stupid to have the foresight to do that.
And I know he didn't get cut because of his stats, dude...did you read my fucking posts? The primary reason he didn't make the NFL draft is because of the health issues, which were a direct result of Sark's ineptness.
Wake me when a Sark-coached QB actually does something in the NFL. Palmer is the best of the lot, and he ain't much. Again, I probably couldve gotten the QBs he coached at USC into the NFL, and Jake Locker was the fucking messiah of Moontlake.
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We haven't had much, if any success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in. Who was the last JC OL to play well at UW? I guess Wes Call in 2000 was decent.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
Matt Leinart: NFL bust John David Booty: Has never taken a snap in the NFL Mark Sanchez: NFL bust Jake Locker: NFL Bust Keith Price: probably will never take a snap in the NFL
I think it's time Doogs stop praising him as a QB "genius" when every QB he's coached hasn't done shit.
I think it's still too early to consider Locker a bust. It's all dependent on how he does this year.
If he gets hurt again or has a sub-par season, then yeah, he's a bust.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
That's not the main point I was making. My point is that anyone couldve gotten those QBs into the NFL. Their college success was a product of the USC Carrol-led juggernaut, not Sark saying, "bro, throw a tighter spiral next time, man!"
Matt Leinart: NFL bust John David Booty: Has never taken a snap in the NFL Mark Sanchez: NFL bust Jake Locker: NFL Bust Keith Price: probably will never take a snap in the NFL
I think it's time Doogs stop praising him as a QB "genius" when every QB he's coached hasn't done shit.
He's not a QB genius, but it's a fact that he has put more QB's in the NFL than any other college coach. Tedford is close. All of his guys but Rodgers are busts too. Most NFL QB's are busts. That's just the nature of the beast. There is no coach that has more than one successful NFL QB besides Cutcliffe.
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We don't have much success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
That's not the main point I was making. My point is that anyone couldve gotten those QBs into the NFL. Their college success was a product of the USC Carrol-led juggernaut, not Sark saying, "bro, throw a tighter spiral next time, man!"
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There is no way to really know if that's true. With the talent USC put around those guys, I think you are probably right. I don't think Sark is a mastermind for getting those guys from USC or Locker to the NFL. Still, nobody else has done it. It's not like Florida, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Michigan don't have 4 and 5 star QB's like USC did. Every QB they trot out is a 4 or 5 star and they have good talent around them too.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
That's not the main point I was making. My point is that anyone couldve gotten those QBs into the NFL. Their college success was a product of the USC Carrol-led juggernaut, not Sark saying, "bro, throw a tighter spiral next time, man!"
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There is no way to really know if that's true. With the talent USC put around those guys, I think you are probably right. I don't think Sark is a mastermind for getting those guys from USC or Locker to the NFL. Still, nobody else has done it. It's not like Florida, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Michigan don't have 4 and 5 star QB's like USC did. Every QB they trot out is a 4 or 5 star and they have good talent around them too.
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We don't have much success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
Since when did you become such a Doog for Sark?
Broad brush. Debate the QB stuff, don't call me a doog for Sark. I hated Sark and wanted him gone after the Alamo Bowl, for certain after the LSU game. His problems weren't coaching Price though. He did a decent job with the guy and not everything unfortunate that happened to Price was Sark's fault.
One of Sark's biggest problems is all he cares about is the QB, star WR's, and maybe a stud RB. He doesn't care about the big picture. He doesn't care about having strong, dominant lines, great special teams, and discipline. Of course he wants those, but he doesn't put in the necessary work or emphasize that stuff. If you are a QB, RB, or WR, he's a fine coach to play for. You will get your stats under him. He sucks at everything else.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
That's not the main point I was making. My point is that anyone couldve gotten those QBs into the NFL. Their college success was a product of the USC Carrol-led juggernaut, not Sark saying, "bro, throw a tighter spiral next time, man!"
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There is no way to really know if that's true. With the talent USC put around those guys, I think you are probably right. I don't think Sark is a mastermind for getting those guys from USC or Locker to the NFL. Still, nobody else has done it. It's not like Florida, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Michigan don't have 4 and 5 star QB's like USC did. Every QB they trot out is a 4 or 5 star and they have good talent around them too.
USC/Locker ran a pro style though. While those schools care about their current program than getting guys to the NFL. Most spread QB's until a few years ago weren't considered for the NFL since the NFL was strictly pro style.
I remember Tressel saying on Pryor his job is to win games not prepare one kid out of 85 for the NFL. That statement was made in 2010 when Sark was more worried about preparing one kid out of 85 to the NFL than the team.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
That's not the main point I was making. My point is that anyone couldve gotten those QBs into the NFL. Their college success was a product of the USC Carrol-led juggernaut, not Sark saying, "bro, throw a tighter spiral next time, man!"
hth
There is no way to really know if that's true. With the talent USC put around those guys, I think you are probably right. I don't think Sark is a mastermind for getting those guys from USC or Locker to the NFL. Still, nobody else has done it. It's not like Florida, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Michigan don't have 4 and 5 star QB's like USC did. Every QB they trot out is a 4 or 5 star and they have good talent around them too.
USC/Locker ran a pro style though. While those schools care about their current program than getting guys to the NFL. Most spread QB's until a few years ago weren't considered for the NFL since the NFL was strictly pro style.
I remember Tressel saying on Pryor his job is to win games not prepare one kid out of 85 for the NFL. That statement was made in 2010 when Sark was more worried about preparing one kid out of 85 to the NFL than the team.
That's a fair point. On the flip side, the spread has become more prevelant the past 5 years. There were more teams running a variation of the pro style back when USC was dominant under Carroll. At one time, Oregon was the only Pac 10 school running it. Maybe Arizona was too, but theirs was more of an air raid when Dykes was their OC. UW's offense with Locker under Ty was an attempt at the spread, but it really was just sandlot/ video game ball.
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We haven't had much, if any success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in. Who was the last JC OL to play well at UW? I guess Wes Call in 2000 was decent.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
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Jeff Tedford developed multiple Super Bowl winners (Dilfer, Rodgers).
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We haven't had much, if any success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in. Who was the last JC OL to play well at UW? I guess Wes Call in 2000 was decent.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
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Jeff Tedford developed multiple Super Bowl winners (Dilfer, Rodgers).
Explain to me how my Locker comment was wrong you sack of shit
I wish the kid well. Not many players can shoulder public blame from a weak head coach week after week and perform at the level he did.... much of it while injured!
Thanks for the memories, kid. I wish you all the best in the future.
I like to call adult athletes 'kid'. It makes me feel younger, and reminds me of the days when I could pop a sweatpants boner.
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We don't have much success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
Since when did you become such a Doog for Sark?
Broad brush. Debate the QB stuff, don't call me a doog for Sark. I hated Sark and wanted him gone after the Alamo Bowl, for certain after the LSU game. His problems weren't coaching Price though. He did a decent job with the guy and not everything unfortunate that happened to Price was Sark's fault.
One of Sark's biggest problems is all he cares about is the QB, star WR's, and maybe a stud RB. He doesn't care about the big picture. He doesn't care about having strong, dominant lines, great special teams, and discipline. Of course he wants those, but he doesn't put in the necessary work or emphasize that stuff. If you are a QB, RB, or WR, he's a fine coach to play for. You will get your stats under him. He sucks at everything else.
Umm...yeah...you were a doog... The correct answer is "Never hired"... The judges would also accept "Anytime after he was hired".
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We don't have much success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
Since when did you become such a Doog for Sark?
Broad brush. Debate the QB stuff, don't call me a doog for Sark. I hated Sark and wanted him gone after the Alamo Bowl, for certain after the LSU game. His problems weren't coaching Price though. He did a decent job with the guy and not everything unfortunate that happened to Price was Sark's fault.
One of Sark's biggest problems is all he cares about is the QB, star WR's, and maybe a stud RB. He doesn't care about the big picture. He doesn't care about having strong, dominant lines, great special teams, and discipline. Of course he wants those, but he doesn't put in the necessary work or emphasize that stuff. If you are a QB, RB, or WR, he's a fine coach to play for. You will get your stats under him. He sucks at everything else.
Umm...yeah...you were a doog... The correct answer is "Never hired"... The judges would also accept "Anytime after he was hired".
He had always believed in Sark until the Oregon game Alamo Bowl
Easier said than done to get JC lineman to UW. We don't have much success at all getting them. The one OL Sark did sign in 2009 was a JC guy who never got in.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
Since when did you become such a Doog for Sark?
Broad brush. Debate the QB stuff, don't call me a doog for Sark. I hated Sark and wanted him gone after the Alamo Bowl, for certain after the LSU game. His problems weren't coaching Price though. He did a decent job with the guy and not everything unfortunate that happened to Price was Sark's fault.
One of Sark's biggest problems is all he cares about is the QB, star WR's, and maybe a stud RB. He doesn't care about the big picture. He doesn't care about having strong, dominant lines, great special teams, and discipline. Of course he wants those, but he doesn't put in the necessary work or emphasize that stuff. If you are a QB, RB, or WR, he's a fine coach to play for. You will get your stats under him. He sucks at everything else.
Umm...yeah...you were a doog... The correct answer is "Never hired"... The judges would also accept "Anytime after he was hired".
That's an entirely different debate. I do think it's odd we didn't interview a guy like Todd Graham who was winning 10+ games at Tulsa, and we could have certainly hired a better coordinator, but Sark didn't deserve to be fired in 2009 or 2010. I agree he probably never should have been hired, but 2011 was the first year it was logical to say he should go.
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And I know he didn't get cut because of his stats, dude...did you read my fucking posts? The primary reason he didn't make the NFL draft is because of the health issues, which were a direct result of Sark's ineptness.
Wake me when a Sark-coached QB actually does something in the NFL. Palmer is the best of the lot, and he ain't much. Again, I probably couldve gotten the QBs he coached at USC into the NFL, and Jake Locker was the fucking messiah of Moontlake.
What college coach has multiple successful NFL QB's? David Cutcliffe with the Manning brothers is the only one. After him, I will be waiting. Give me some college coaches with more. I'll bet Sven's $1,000,000 you won't come up with any.
If he gets hurt again or has a sub-par season, then yeah, he's a bust.
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One of Sark's biggest problems is all he cares about is the QB, star WR's, and maybe a stud RB. He doesn't care about the big picture. He doesn't care about having strong, dominant lines, great special teams, and discipline. Of course he wants those, but he doesn't put in the necessary work or emphasize that stuff. If you are a QB, RB, or WR, he's a fine coach to play for. You will get your stats under him. He sucks at everything else.
I remember Tressel saying on Pryor his job is to win games not prepare one kid out of 85 for the NFL. That statement was made in 2010 when Sark was more worried about preparing one kid out of 85 to the NFL than the team.
Jeff Tedford developed multiple Super Bowl winners (Dilfer, Rodgers).
Oregon gameAlamo BowlMaybe the meet and greet location? Mods?