Seahawks release Keith Price.
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no mention of his coaching career at Oregon St.?
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Does more with less.sarktastic said:no mention of his coaching career at Oregon St.?
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This will be unpopular here, but you guys are putting too much blame on Sark. He's a shitty coach, but how he handled Price is pretty low on the list. Fielding undisciplined teams, the shit recruiting at OL were way bigger issues, and being dude brah were way bigger issues. Joey's, the recruiting bus, the rumor about girls on his boat the week of the Oregon game. This guy is a frat boy masquerading as a head football coach. However, the one thing he is competent at is coaching QB's. Hate it all you want, he's put more QB's in the NFL than just about any coach.
I'm surprised Price was cut this soon. I actually thought he had a fairly good chance at making the practice squad. Hopefully, he was cut this early because Carroll/Schneider are doing him a favor and letting him find a better opportunity because he didn't have a chance to make the Seahawks.
He's far from the first good college QB who wasn't NFL caliber. There are QB's who get great coaching who don't make it. It's not always the coach's fault a guy doesn't succeed in the NFL. The fact is, Price is pretty small and has limited mobility. Smaller QB's are getting more of a chance nowadays, but most of those guys are mobile. -
1) How he handled Price is pretty high on the list. From shitty playcalling (especially in 2012), to the "trust issues" comment, to leaving a hobbled Price in games against shit opponents FAR longer than he shouldve been, all factors point to Sark being a fucking moron.RoadDawg55 said:This will be unpopular here, but you guys are putting too much blame on Sark. He's a shitty coach, but how he handled Price is pretty low on the list. Fielding undisciplined teams, the shit recruiting at OL were way bigger issues, and being dude brah were way bigger issues. Joey's, the recruiting bus, the rumor about girls on his boat the week of the Oregon game. This guy is a frat boy masquerading as a head football coach. However, the one thing he is competent at is coaching QB's. Hate it all you want, he's put more QB's in the NFL than just about any coach.
I'm surprised Price was cut this soon. I actually thought he had a fairly good chance at making the practice squad. Hopefully, he was cut this early because Carroll/Schneider are doing him a favor and letting him find a better opportunity because he didn't have a chance to make the Seahawks.
He's far from the first good college QB who wasn't NFL caliber. There are QB's who get great coaching who don't make it. It's not always the coach's fault a guy doesn't succeed in the NFL. The fact is, Price is pretty small and has limited mobility. Smaller QB's are getting more of a chance nowadays, but most of those guys are mobile.
2) I'm unconvinced Sark is some ascendant QB guru. At USC, he was coaching 5 star QBs that you'd have to actually undermine in order for them to not have success. I was unimpressed with his work on Locker. You can argue that Price has good numbers in 2/3 seasons because of Sark's coaching, but then you also have to recognize all the flaws in Sark's tutelage discussed in poont 1.
3) Not having an O-Line fucked up Price more than any other factor. The dude got abused in 2012 and never had the same quickness. He was way more mobile at the start of his career than he was at the end. Go rewatch the 2011 Alamo Bowl. That is Sark's fault. You can have the best general ever (QB), but if the troops suck (O-Line), it's not going to matter and the general is going to get fucked up. A great QB "guru" like Sark should be able to recognize the importance of the fucking O-Line. Sark had an amazing O-Line at USC, and Locker was very mobile, so Sark was skating by on the talents of other individuals.
4) Yes, plenty of good college QB's don't have success in the NFL. The game has changed, and most QBs put up big numbers these days. Still, Price set the UW passing record for TDs in a season, and managed to put up solid numbers while playing behind the aforementioned dreckfest of an O-Line. He also had the "benefit" of playing for one of the most inept play-callers in the nation: Sark.
5) Fuck off
Sark was good at recruiting talented skill players and barely beating less talented teams. That's it. The dude is a fraud and got exposed by any coach with a pulse. -
STAY!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
1) How he handled Price is pretty high on the list. From shitty playcalling (especially in 2012), to the "trust issues" comment, to leaving a hobbled Price in games against shit opponents FAR longer than he shouldve been, all factors point to Sark being a fucking moron.RoadDawg55 said:This will be unpopular here, but you guys are putting too much blame on Sark. He's a shitty coach, but how he handled Price is pretty low on the list. Fielding undisciplined teams, the shit recruiting at OL were way bigger issues, and being dude brah were way bigger issues. Joey's, the recruiting bus, the rumor about girls on his boat the week of the Oregon game. This guy is a frat boy masquerading as a head football coach. However, the one thing he is competent at is coaching QB's. Hate it all you want, he's put more QB's in the NFL than just about any coach.
I'm surprised Price was cut this soon. I actually thought he had a fairly good chance at making the practice squad. Hopefully, he was cut this early because Carroll/Schneider are doing him a favor and letting him find a better opportunity because he didn't have a chance to make the Seahawks.
He's far from the first good college QB who wasn't NFL caliber. There are QB's who get great coaching who don't make it. It's not always the coach's fault a guy doesn't succeed in the NFL. The fact is, Price is pretty small and has limited mobility. Smaller QB's are getting more of a chance nowadays, but most of those guys are mobile.
2) I'm unconvinced Sark is some ascendant QB guru. At USC, he was coaching 5 star QBs that you'd have to actually undermine in order for them to not have success. I was unimpressed with his work on Locker. You can argue that Price has good numbers in 2/3 seasons because of Sark's coaching, but then you also have to recognize all the flaws in Sark's tutelage discussed in poont 1.
3) Not having an O-Line fucked up Price more than any other factor. The dude got abused in 2012 and never had the same quickness. He was way more mobile at the start of his career than he was at the end. Go rewatch the 2011 Alamo Bowl. That is Sark's fault. You can have the best general ever (QB), but if the troops suck (O-Line), it's not going to matter and the general is going to get fucked up. A great QB "guru" like Sark should be able to recognize the importance of the fucking O-Line. Sark had an amazing O-Line at USC, and Locker was very mobile, so Sark was skating by on the talents of other individuals.
4) Yes, plenty of good college QB's don't have success in the NFL. The game has changed, and most QBs put up big numbers these days. Still, Price set the UW passing record for TDs in a season, and managed to put up solid numbers while playing behind the aforementioned dreckfest of an O-Line. He also had the "benefit" of playing for one of the most inept play-callers in the nation: Sark.
5) Fuck off
Sark was good at recruiting talented skill players and barely beating less talented teams. That's it. The dude is a fraud and got exposed by any coach with a pulse. -
1) Decent point. The trust issues comment was stupid. As far as leaving him in too long, it was often so Price could pad his stats (see Cal and Colorado this year). There were a few times when we were getting plungered that Price was out there too long. I don't think that is really that relevant to what he does in the NFL though.
2) I don't think he's a magical QB guru, but who is? The fact is, he has put more QB's in the NFL than any other college coach. That's a fact. Other coaches are getting 4 and 5 star guys too. He has some clue about coaching QB's and getting them to the NFL.
3) 2012 definitely hampered Price's development. At the time, I was pissed at Sark. It was right after Garnett, Banner, and Williams said fuck you and his recruiting issues were fresh in our minds. Sark gets some blame for not recruiting any OL in 2009, but we had to wait for the "Cascade Front" from 2010 to develop. In 2009, it's very debatable we would have gotten any good OL. Price and Trufant were the only good players from the shitty class. It is inexcusable he got none. It's not hard to look at the roster and see a huge need. In his defense, he took 7 the year after.
The Cascade Front were first time starters in 2012 (they were young), got better in 2013, and I'm optimistic about them this year. We didn't have anyone else. It's as much, and in my opinon much more Ty's fault for not recruiting any decent OL from 2007 and 2008. Not to mention, Riva and Tanigawa went down in the first 2 weeks. Sark deserves some of this blame, but it's definitely less than I gave him at the time. It was unfortunate for Price and he wasn't the same after. It's not entirely Sark's fault though.
4) Price was a good college QB. Sark has some issues with playcalling, but those were often abandoning the run at the wrong times. He gave Price the chance to sling it around and Price put up good numbers under him. Connor Shaw played for Steve Spurrier, had a 24-1 TD:INT ratio in the SEC, is more mobile than Price and went undrafted. Kellen Moore broke records at Boise State. He wasn't drafted either and is a 3rd string QB now in Detroit and will be out of the league soon. There are only so many spots in the NFL.
5) Good job. You finally stopped being a cunt and made a football post. It was your best effort in weeks, maybe ever. -
1) Price did get his stats padded a tad from staying in against the Little Sisters of The Poor, but it also heightened his risk for injury. I remember him getting hit pretty hard a few times in the 4th (when Miles should've been in 10 minutes prior) and being fucking pissed.RoadDawg55 said:1) Decent point. The trust issues comment was stupid. As far as leaving him in too long, it was often so Price could pad his stats (see Cal and Colorado this year). There were a few times when we were getting plungered that Price was out there too long. I don't think that is really that relevant to what he does in the NFL though.
2) I don't think he's a magical QB guru, but who is? The fact is, he has put more QB's in the NFL than any other college coach. That's a fact. Other coaches are getting 4 and 5 star guys too. He has some clue about coaching QB's.
3) 2012 definitely hampered Price's development. At the time, I was pissed at Sark. It was right after Garnett, Banner, and Williams said fuck you and his recruiting issues were fresh in our minds. Sark gets some blame for not recruiting any OL in 2009, but we had to wait for the "Cascade Front" from 2010 to develop. In 2009, it's very debatable we would have gotten any good OL. Price and Trufant were the only good players from that class.
The Cascade Front were first time starters in 2012 (they were young), got better in 2013, and I'm optimistic about them this year. We didn't have anyone else. It's as much, and in my opinon much more Ty's fault for not recruiting any decent OL from 2007 and 2008. Not to mention, Riva and Tanigawa went down in the first 2 weeks. Sark deserves some of this blame, but it's definitely less than I gave him at the time. It was unfortunate for Price and he wasn't the same after. It's not entirely Sark's fault though.
4) Price was a good college QB. Sark has some issues with playcalling, but those were often abandoning the run at the wrong times. He gave Price the chance to sling it around and Price put up good numbers under him. Connor Shaw played for Steve Spurrier, had a 24-1 TD:INT ratio in the SEC, is more mobile than Price and went undrafted. Kellen Moore broke records at Boise State. He's a 3rd string QB now in Detroit and will be out of the league soon. There are only so many spots in the NFL.
5) Good job. You finally stopped being a cunt and made a football post. It was your best effort in weeks, maybe ever.
2) The QBs he has put into the NFL haven't done much. And again, he had access to the best QB recruits in the country, playing behind one of the best OL's in the country, on one of the best teams in the country. He has some clue, yes, but he greatly harmed Price's chance at an NFL career. Most QBs who put up Price-like numbers get drafter, and don't have two fucked up knees.
3) Dude, are you REALLY blaming Ty for Sark's OL? W, JW. Sark had plenty of time to analyze his team and search for deficiencies. Anyone with half a brain could've seen the OL needed more bodies. Yet still, he didn't emphasize the OL in recruiting. He didn't have good backup options after whiffing on Garnett, Banner, etc. In short, he fucked up. And Price paid the price.
4) Sark's issues with playcalling wasn't limited to abandoning the run. Instead of throwing the ball down the field, he called a bunch of those half-assed lateral passes that he was so fucking fond of. He also was a fucking idiot when it came to the timing of his playcalls. Typical Sark series against a competent defense:
1st and 10: Incomplete pass
2nd and 10: Polk/Sankey rush for 2 yards
3rd and 8: Lateral pass for no gain
Connor Shaw had the throwing mechanics of Tim Tebow. The only reason why Price didn't get drafted is because Sark threw him under the proverbial bus.
5) If you think this is my best effort, you haven't been paying attention. When it's the actual football season, I consistently make football related observations. I also made threads recently discussing the Pac-12, and I've gotten a lot of flack recently for my belief that WSU is going to be good next year. -
Looking back at my post, it was stupid to mention Ty and 2007. Those shitty players would have been graduated anyways. However, there was not one upperclass OL in 2012 besides Schaeffer. That was the real issue. Sark does deserve all the blame for getting none in 2009, but it's also wishful thinking that they would be any good when every player but 2 from that class was dreck.
A true freshman Garnett would have played, but the OL still would have sucked. Porter medically retired before the year. Tanigawa, Riva, and Kohler all got hurt in the first two weeks. Any school that loses 4 starters on the OL is going to be in trouble. The depth wasn't there, but part of that is bad luck with injuries. 4 starters being out is rare. The thing is, the OL still would have been below average with all 4 healthy. It was never going to be good.
Ty blew it in 2008, Sark blew it in 2009. Sark tried to take care of it by recruiting 7 in 2010. 4 of those guys got hurt in 2012. Sark completely fucked up 2011 OL recruiting, but true freshman OL aren't going to help much anyways. I agree with you about 2012 hurting Price, but the OL was bound to be shitty that year, and I think that's regardless of who was our coach.
Price didn't get cut because of his stats. He put up good stats (although a lot of QB's do in this era). His health issues hurt him, along with the OL. I'm in complete agreement there. I just don't think the only reason he's not there is Sark. There aren't many QB's smaller than him, and every one I can think of but Chase Daniel is way more mobile than he is.
I really thought he had a decent chance at making the NFL, and maybe he still does. I'll put my money where my mouth is, I bet Sark gets Kessler to the NFL and if he doesn't flame out (he will) the next qb (Max Browne or Ricky Town) will get to the NFL too. He's a shitty coach who will always have undisciplined teams, but he has a decent system for QB's and a track record of getting them to the NFL. -
Sark's QB's that he's had his hands on:
Matt Leinart: NFL bust
John David Booty: Has never taken a snap in the NFL
Mark Sanchez: NFL bust
Jake Locker: NFL Bust
Keith Price: probably will never take a snap in the NFL
I think it's time Doogs stop praising him as a QB "genius" when every QB he's coached hasn't done shit. -
But how is Sark a bad quarterback coach?He_Needs_More_Time said:Sark's QB's that he's had his hands on:
Matt Leinart: NFL bust
John David Booty: Has never taken a snap in the NFL
Mark Sanchez: NFL bust
Jake Locker: NFL Bust
Keith Price: probably will never take a snap in the NFL
I think it's time Doogs stop praising him as a QB "genius" when every QB he's coached hasn't done shit.
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