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Rock Pole: Who's greater - The Living or The Dead?

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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,830 Swaye's Wigwam
    The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
    YellowSnow said:

    There's a lotta ways to break this down. Let's start with greatest lead rock guitarists:

    Dead
    Hendrix
    EVH
    Chuck Berry
    Duane Allman
    Randy Rhodes
    Mick Ronson
    Peter Green
    Jerry Garcia

    Living

    Clapton
    Jeff Beck
    Jimmy Page
    David Gilmour
    Carlos Santana
    Brian May
    Tommy Iommi
    Mark Knopfler
    Angus Young
    Alex Lifeson
    Joe Walsh
    Billy Gibbons
    Ry Cooder
    Kirk Hammett

    The living list seems stronger to my eye.

    Just looking at this again and I noted that the majority of the living list is probably not long for this world. That's pretty revealing about the direction of R&R frontmen.

    As far as guitarists go, there seems to be plenty of yutes out there who are technically capable. Not many capable of writing and performing good music though.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    chuck said:

    YellowSnow said:

    There's a lotta ways to break this down. Let's start with greatest lead rock guitarists:

    Dead
    Hendrix
    EVH
    Chuck Berry
    Duane Allman
    Randy Rhodes
    Mick Ronson
    Peter Green
    Jerry Garcia

    Living

    Clapton
    Jeff Beck
    Jimmy Page
    David Gilmour
    Carlos Santana
    Brian May
    Tommy Iommi
    Mark Knopfler
    Angus Young
    Alex Lifeson
    Joe Walsh
    Billy Gibbons
    Ry Cooder
    Kirk Hammett

    The living list seems stronger to my eye.

    Just looking at this again and I noted that the majority of the living list is probably not long for this world. That's pretty revealing about the direction of R&R frontmen.

    As far as guitarists go, there seems to be plenty of yutes out there who are technically capable. Not many capable of writing and performing good music though.
    I don't really blame the Yutes @chuck in this respect. I'm sure there's thousands and thousands of young guitar players out there who are more technically gifted than, say, a Hendrix. Hell, even I can fax my way through the intro to Hey Joe on my American Strat (way nicer guitar than my ability level merits).

    But when it comes to creating new art, it's better to be first than most technically gifted. There just aren't many new ideas left to try in Rock. In the mid 60s it was still most uncharted territory.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,855 Swaye's Wigwam
    The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
    I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    LebamDawg said:

    I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there

    Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,855 Swaye's Wigwam
    The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
    What we need is the all inclusive list of dead musical stars - all genres. The HardCoreHusky Dead List
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,521 Swaye's Wigwam
    The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
    YellowSnow said:

    LebamDawg said:

    I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there

    Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.
    I’ve mentioned it before, Paul McCartney was the worst concert I’ve ever been to.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    RoadDawg55 said:

    YellowSnow said:

    LebamDawg said:

    I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there

    Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.
    I’ve mentioned it before, Paul McCartney was the worst concert I’ve ever been to.
    Seeing Paul in 1976 at the Kingdome would have been kewl. After that, pass.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,678
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    In 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.

    Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.

    I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.

    They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...

    My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?





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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    Fishpo31 said:

    In 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.

    Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.

    I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.

    They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...

    My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?





    *29, March, 1990 was when you saw him.

    Too much baseball CTE @Fishpo31

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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,678
    edited November 2022
    The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
    I saw Paul in the Kingdome in 76, and mid-oug
    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    In 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.

    Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.

    I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.

    They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...

    My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?





    *29, March, 1990 was when you saw him.

    Too much baseball CTE @Fishpo31

    3 November, 2005. The wif looked it up…not disputing the CTE claim, btw…
    Maybe I need to refresh on the definition of “oughts”…
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