Rock Pole: Who's greater - The Living or The Dead?
Rock Pole: Who's greater - The Living or The Dead? 20 votes
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alI'd need to see a full listing. Going by feel alone here, and I think the deads win it. Maybe not though.
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
I was pondering this the other day. But if you start running through the list of the greatest bands of all time, a majority of the key members are still alive. Same thing with the solo rock acts.chuck said:I'd need to see a full listing. Going by feel alone here, and I think the deads win it. Maybe not though.
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For sex? Definitely the dead. Ammirite @trublue?
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alOnly the good die young. Plus, EVH.
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et alThere's a lotta ways to break this down. Let's start with greatest lead rock guitarists:
Dead
Hendrix
EVH
Chuck Berry
Duane Allman
Randy Rhodes
Mick Ronson
Peter Green
Jerry Garcia
Living
Clapton
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
David Gilmour
Carlos Santana
Brian May
Tommy Iommi
Mark Knopfler
Angus Young
Alex Lifeson
Joe Walsh
Billy Gibbons
Ry Cooder
Kirk Hammett
The living list seems stronger to my eye.
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alDid the greatest living guitar players stop being born around 1960? I know rock is dead now, but there have to be some newer-generation guys missing. Or is this intended to only be living from a bygone era?
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
It's hard, because rock is dead. Who are the guitar gods of the 2000's ?BleachedAnusDawg said:Did the greatest living guitar players stop being born around 1960? I know rock is dead now, but there have to be some newer-generation guys missing. Or is this intended to only be living from a bygone era?
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John Mayer and Ed Sheeran lolYellowSnow said:
It's hard, because rock is dead. Who are the guitar gods of the 2000's ?BleachedAnusDawg said:Did the greatest living guitar players stop being born around 1960? I know rock is dead now, but there have to be some newer-generation guys missing. Or is this intended to only be living from a bygone era?
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
I dunno. I quit listening to most new music a while back. Matt Bellamy of Muse is the most famous guitar player I can think of who's currently at the top. Dave Mustaine is still shredding in his 60's but he's more of a rhythm guy.YellowSnow said:
It's hard, because rock is dead. Who are the guitar gods of the 2000's ?BleachedAnusDawg said:Did the greatest living guitar players stop being born around 1960? I know rock is dead now, but there have to be some newer-generation guys missing. Or is this intended to only be living from a bygone era?
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
I mean, I've got a fair number of rock albums in my collection that were released post 2000. I just don't know who the rock guitar gods are anymore. I'm totally ignorant of Muse.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I dunno. I quit listening to most new music a while back. Matt Bellamy of Muse is the most famous guitar player I can think of who's currently at the top. Dave Mustaine is still shredding in his 60's but he's more of a rhythm guy.YellowSnow said:
It's hard, because rock is dead. Who are the guitar gods of the 2000's ?BleachedAnusDawg said:Did the greatest living guitar players stop being born around 1960? I know rock is dead now, but there have to be some newer-generation guys missing. Or is this intended to only be living from a bygone era?
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alPrince. Team Dead
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et alPurpleThrobber said:
Prince. Team Dead
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
Also, I'm surprised by you Throbber.PurpleThrobber said:Prince. Team Dead
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alThe Dead:
Lemmy
Phil Lynott
Cliff Burton
Steve Gaines
Kurt Cobain
Chris Cornell
Layne Staley
Eddie
Alive:
Jerry Cantrell
Tony Iommi
Geezer Butler
Woody Weatherman
Pepper Keenan
Michael Schenker (Shockingly)
Angus Young
Zakk Wylde
Adam Jones
Danny Carey
Justin Chancellor
Steve Harris
Shit… I might want to change my vote -
The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
Unfortunately, after working 25+ years in law enforcement, some shit is creepy and not funny in any context1to392831weretaken said:For sex? Definitely the dead. Ammirite @trublue?
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
You guys never think hard first before voting in my music poles and it's hurtful.JoeEDangerously said:The Dead:
Lemmy
Phil Lynott
Cliff Burton
Steve Gaines
Kurt Cobain
Chris Cornell
Layne Staley
Eddie
Alive:
Jerry Cantrell
Tony Iommi
Geezer Butler
Woody Weatherman
Pepper Keenan
Michael Schenker (Shockingly)
Angus Young
Zakk Wylde
Adam Jones
Danny Carey
Justin Chancellor
Steve Harris
Shit… I might want to change my vote
The greatest front men of all time, seem to be cheating death fairly well...
Dead:
Freddy
Jim
Bon
Ronnie Van Zandt
Alive:
Diamond Dave
Ozzy
Mick
Plant
Daltrey
Axl
Bono (overrated)
Vedder (throwing @pawz a bone)
Steven Tyler -
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
Not much of a front man guy without the instrument I guessYellowSnow said:
You guys never think hard first before voting in my music poles and it's hurtful.JoeEDangerously said:The Dead:
Lemmy
Phil Lynott
Cliff Burton
Steve Gaines
Kurt Cobain
Chris Cornell
Layne Staley
Eddie
Alive:
Jerry Cantrell
Tony Iommi
Geezer Butler
Woody Weatherman
Pepper Keenan
Michael Schenker (Shockingly)
Angus Young
Zakk Wylde
Adam Jones
Danny Carey
Justin Chancellor
Steve Harris
Shit… I might want to change my vote
The greatest front men of all time, seem to be cheating death fairly well...
Dead:
Freddy
Jim
Bon
Ronnie Van Zandt
Alive:
Diamond Dave
Ozzy
Mick
Plant
Daltrey
Axl
Bono (overrated)
Vedder (throwing @pawz a bone)
Steven Tyler -
The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
That's why they are a front man. A REAL front man can't be bothered with a guitar or bass. They are there to sing and dance and maybe play a little harp or tambourine.JoeEDangerously said:
Not much of a front man guy without the instrument I guessYellowSnow said:
You guys never think hard first before voting in my music poles and it's hurtful.JoeEDangerously said:The Dead:
Lemmy
Phil Lynott
Cliff Burton
Steve Gaines
Kurt Cobain
Chris Cornell
Layne Staley
Eddie
Alive:
Jerry Cantrell
Tony Iommi
Geezer Butler
Woody Weatherman
Pepper Keenan
Michael Schenker (Shockingly)
Angus Young
Zakk Wylde
Adam Jones
Danny Carey
Justin Chancellor
Steve Harris
Shit… I might want to change my vote
The greatest front men of all time, seem to be cheating death fairly well...
Dead:
Freddy
Jim
Bon
Ronnie Van Zandt
Alive:
Diamond Dave
Ozzy
Mick
Plant
Daltrey
Axl
Bono (overrated)
Vedder (throwing @pawz a bone)
Steven Tyler -
The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alPetty
For 2000s and beyond rock, Grohl and the Foos? -
The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
Just looking at this again and I noted that the majority of the living list is probably not long for this world. That's pretty revealing about the direction of R&R frontmen.YellowSnow said:There's a lotta ways to break this down. Let's start with greatest lead rock guitarists:
Dead
Hendrix
EVH
Chuck Berry
Duane Allman
Randy Rhodes
Mick Ronson
Peter Green
Jerry Garcia
Living
Clapton
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
David Gilmour
Carlos Santana
Brian May
Tommy Iommi
Mark Knopfler
Angus Young
Alex Lifeson
Joe Walsh
Billy Gibbons
Ry Cooder
Kirk Hammett
The living list seems stronger to my eye.
As far as guitarists go, there seems to be plenty of yutes out there who are technically capable. Not many capable of writing and performing good music though. -
The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
I don't really blame the Yutes @chuck in this respect. I'm sure there's thousands and thousands of young guitar players out there who are more technically gifted than, say, a Hendrix. Hell, even I can fax my way through the intro to Hey Joe on my American Strat (way nicer guitar than my ability level merits).chuck said:
Just looking at this again and I noted that the majority of the living list is probably not long for this world. That's pretty revealing about the direction of R&R frontmen.YellowSnow said:There's a lotta ways to break this down. Let's start with greatest lead rock guitarists:
Dead
Hendrix
EVH
Chuck Berry
Duane Allman
Randy Rhodes
Mick Ronson
Peter Green
Jerry Garcia
Living
Clapton
Jeff Beck
Jimmy Page
David Gilmour
Carlos Santana
Brian May
Tommy Iommi
Mark Knopfler
Angus Young
Alex Lifeson
Joe Walsh
Billy Gibbons
Ry Cooder
Kirk Hammett
The living list seems stronger to my eye.
As far as guitarists go, there seems to be plenty of yutes out there who are technically capable. Not many capable of writing and performing good music though.
But when it comes to creating new art, it's better to be first than most technically gifted. There just aren't many new ideas left to try in Rock. In the mid 60s it was still most uncharted territory. -
The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alI was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.LebamDawg said:I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et alWhat we need is the all inclusive list of dead musical stars - all genres. The HardCoreHusky Dead List
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The Dead- e.g., Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix, EVH, Cobain, Morrison, Berry, Bonham, Moon, Garcia, et al
I’ve mentioned it before, Paul McCartney was the worst concert I’ve ever been to.YellowSnow said:
Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.LebamDawg said:I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
Seeing Paul in 1976 at the Kingdome would have been kewl. After that, pass.RoadDawg55 said:
I’ve mentioned it before, Paul McCartney was the worst concert I’ve ever been to.YellowSnow said:
Watching McCartney sing at the 2012 Olympics gave me the sads.LebamDawg said:I was gonna go living until I sawr McCartney standing there
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et alIn 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.
Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.
I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.
They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...
My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et al
*29, March, 1990 was when you saw him.Fishpo31 said:In 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.
Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.
I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.
They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...
My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?
Too much baseball CTE @Fishpo31
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The Living- e.g., Dylan, McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, Young, Fogerty, Simon, Townshend, Angus, et alI saw Paul in the Kingdome in 76, and mid-oug
3 November, 2005. The wif looked it up…not disputing the CTE claim, btw…YellowSnow said:
*29, March, 1990 was when you saw him.Fishpo31 said:In 76 at the Dome, the sound was horrendous. I was in high skewl, and didn't care. He was a Beatle. Saw him at Key in the mid-oughts, the sound was good (where we were, anyway), he was good, and he was a Beatle.
Most, if not all of these guys (and gals) got royally ripped off by management / record companies during their peak years. Now that streaming / services has rendered vinyl (sorry, @Yella!) and other forms of purchasing recordings irrelevant as a massive payday, they can play to their fans, old and new, no record deals / new albums every 6 months (the old days), and rake the cake.
I think it was a Charlie Watts interview when he was asked why the Stones didn't retire (this may have been 20+ years ago). IIRC, he said, roughly "What else am I going to do?"...The big guys continue to write and record new music, but nobody buys it, and nobody wants to hear it live...they want the hits, and nothing but the hits, and are willing to pay a shitload of money to hear them. If you have hits, you have a paying audience.
They are musicians and entertainers, and that is what they do. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but it's my choice to spend the money, or not...
My question is will the young bucks of today be touring in their 50s? 60s?
Too much baseball CTE @Fishpo31
Maybe I need to refresh on the definition of “oughts”…
