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No way to spin this election...
Swaye
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Massive GOP fail last night. The loveable losers continue to find ways to Coug it.
The red wave turned into a ripple. If you can't beat a vegetable in PA then you need better candidates.
I never really bought the narrative that there was going to be this giant red tsunami and we would flip Colorado or punt Patty Murray out, or grab the Governors mansion in NY. But, I did expect sizeable pickups in the House. Doesn't look like it will happen.
I always had the Senate as a tough flip, despite all the conservative pundits rosy prognostications the last few days, and that appears to be playing out.
When the most important issue on voters minds are Inflation/Economy, Crime and the Border, and all the exit polling shows large majorities trust the GOP more than the Dems and Biden on those issues by large margins, and you still can't put up a huge win, you got problems. There will almost never be a better opportunity to absolutely smash the DNC - Biden is low 40's in approval, crime is surging and the border is a mess (and few trust the Dems to fix it). Inflation is at 40 year highs, and based on exit polling most voters correctly attribute that to Biden/Dems, and you STILL can't capitalize.
Why?
I don't know. I'm not smart enough to say why the GOP didn't clean up in an environment that was set up perfectly for huge wins. I think candidate quality matters, and Oz and Walker were not great candidates (although Warnock and Fettertard are simply awful).
I do think, and this will not be popular here, that at the national level in big elections Trump is toxic and a net drag on the party. Yeah yeah I know he has supported lots of winning candidates, but special elections and other small timey shit doesn't move the needle. Every time we need a big win since 2020 he doesn't deliver. Lots of reasons for this mostly centered on machine politics, big tech lunacy and a corrupt media establishment who has lied about him for 6 straight years, but at this point it's just complaining about the refs. None of that stuff is going to change. Big tech, the media and the election machine is tilted against him and it isn't changing now or ever. Sometimes you have to be able to win in the rain. I voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he is the guy in 2024, but I have serious reservations on if he is electable in this environment with the way the deck is stacked.
On the other hand, the one bright spot for the night was DeathSantis. Truly historic win in Florida. A Nazi won Dade fucking county. Let that sink in for a minute. If you can't see the magnitude of that you are blind. My lesson from last night is Dump Trump and go all in on Ron. He's a winner with a proven track record and is winning in places the GOP has no business even competing. Plus policy wise he is Trump without all the baggage, yet still a fighter that we all know you have to be to deal with Pravda day in and day out. I will always appreciate what Trump did to savage the corrupt media and at least pay lip service to the Swamp, but we need a new direction. Last night, nationally, was a still birth. Coug'ed it hard.
DeSantis is the guy. For me.
The red wave turned into a ripple. If you can't beat a vegetable in PA then you need better candidates.
I never really bought the narrative that there was going to be this giant red tsunami and we would flip Colorado or punt Patty Murray out, or grab the Governors mansion in NY. But, I did expect sizeable pickups in the House. Doesn't look like it will happen.
I always had the Senate as a tough flip, despite all the conservative pundits rosy prognostications the last few days, and that appears to be playing out.
When the most important issue on voters minds are Inflation/Economy, Crime and the Border, and all the exit polling shows large majorities trust the GOP more than the Dems and Biden on those issues by large margins, and you still can't put up a huge win, you got problems. There will almost never be a better opportunity to absolutely smash the DNC - Biden is low 40's in approval, crime is surging and the border is a mess (and few trust the Dems to fix it). Inflation is at 40 year highs, and based on exit polling most voters correctly attribute that to Biden/Dems, and you STILL can't capitalize.
Why?
I don't know. I'm not smart enough to say why the GOP didn't clean up in an environment that was set up perfectly for huge wins. I think candidate quality matters, and Oz and Walker were not great candidates (although Warnock and Fettertard are simply awful).
I do think, and this will not be popular here, that at the national level in big elections Trump is toxic and a net drag on the party. Yeah yeah I know he has supported lots of winning candidates, but special elections and other small timey shit doesn't move the needle. Every time we need a big win since 2020 he doesn't deliver. Lots of reasons for this mostly centered on machine politics, big tech lunacy and a corrupt media establishment who has lied about him for 6 straight years, but at this point it's just complaining about the refs. None of that stuff is going to change. Big tech, the media and the election machine is tilted against him and it isn't changing now or ever. Sometimes you have to be able to win in the rain. I voted for Trump twice, and will vote for him again if he is the guy in 2024, but I have serious reservations on if he is electable in this environment with the way the deck is stacked.
On the other hand, the one bright spot for the night was DeathSantis. Truly historic win in Florida. A Nazi won Dade fucking county. Let that sink in for a minute. If you can't see the magnitude of that you are blind. My lesson from last night is Dump Trump and go all in on Ron. He's a winner with a proven track record and is winning in places the GOP has no business even competing. Plus policy wise he is Trump without all the baggage, yet still a fighter that we all know you have to be to deal with Pravda day in and day out. I will always appreciate what Trump did to savage the corrupt media and at least pay lip service to the Swamp, but we need a new direction. Last night, nationally, was a still birth. Coug'ed it hard.
DeSantis is the guy. For me.
Comments
Like you said all hail Ron!
Secondly, there were and are many great new candidates on the scene. From Kari Lake to Blake Masters to Tudor Dixon to Joe Kent and several others. These are high-quality people.
Thirdly, I love DeSantis but I disagree with the many on here who say Trump is not electable in '24. He most certainly is electable. We can agree to disagree.
Corruption runs rampant in America.
Do any of you feel foolish? We believed that this was all about inflation, the border, homelessness, the economy. If it had been, Reps would own everything.
The independents made sure that the House went Rep. That might be the last time that happens. You can't raise 6 decades of children to hate your country and not tip the scales permanently.
NY? MI? PA? OR? WA? CA? AZ? etc. They all stayed the course and want more of the same shit. They could care less about murder, homelessness, the economy, inflation. They just voted for more of it. They created the problems and see nothing wrong with it.
The OR governor's race will be won by a screeching liberal who will simply promise more of the same shit. Hatred for police, more homelessness, more violence, more emboldened antifa. Rats simply don't care about the violence, inflation or homelessness; it is politics over country.
Stacey Abrams got a ton of votes. She hates the police, literally stalled the GA economy by accusing her fellow Georgians of being racist and chasing the MLB All Star game away and saying goodbye to several hundred million to the city and its people. Has gotten rich off of her donations, believes in open borders, and spends time in virtually every public engagement telling anyone who will listen how racist this country is. Think about that. A rat who literally hates the country and believes the majority are racist came that close to running the state. There was a time she would have had David Duke 2% type vote totals, not today. Oh, and almost half the fucking state who voted for that grifting liar? They clearly don't care about the economy, inflation, open borders or defunding the police. They only care about their politics and the power it brings to control even more of people's lives.
I love the diversity of our state but hate the fact that the people moving in are politics over country. They move to GA because it is a vibrant state that is healthy economically. Its healthy because of Republican Governors who put the state and its people first. Kemp was a leader when he opened the schools and the state up during covid. Yet, the minorities who have moved here by the millions over the past couple of decades will vote for the candidates who hate the state, will kill the economy and further fuck up Atlanta which is already high in crime and murder.
Ironically, Kemp won. There was very little cross over vote. He was put in place by Reps and Independents. He is literally the only thing standing between GA being a bigger liberal hell hole. The next election cycle we will see a black rat Governor. The Kemps of the world are dying off and all we are left with are rats who after having taken over the schools and local and state governments will finally win the trifecta and control this state to the point of ruin.
Politics over country.
You mention Lake and what should be a slam dunk win for her now running mysteriously tight. What’s going on with the voting machines in Maricopa County? I agree with you regarding machine politics, but that includes some very shady elements at the very least. The democrat party is ridiculously well funded and adept at controlling elections via all possible mechanisms including narrative control via all forms of media and manufacturing votes when they need them via ballot harvesting and so on. Look no further than Biden and Fetterman for proof.
Having said all that, the best thing the GOP can do is focus on the micro political scene, continue to enlist momma bears in flipping local government seats including those on school boards, and do what they can to shore up elections. We still have a system that is far too susceptible to fraud. Beyond that, back DeFuture. He gets this and a great deal more. He’s a winner.
24 will be special for the GOP and the DAWGS
The democrats do what they are told and Gen Z are functional morons. The GOP clutches pears and wants to be liked.
Same old shit
At least we had 2016 and 1980
Must be Gen z
Don't count on that at the national level. The machine is just warming up against DeathSantis.
You think all those intelligence agencies that signed off on hunters laptop being Russian disinfo know a thing or two about election engineering?
No one will address all the voting irregularities or do anything to stop them as the majority of election officials seem top be on the left or corrupt.
The numbers do not have to be gigantic with cheating to swing the elections.
Sad but this is where we are.
Somehow that's just dandy
The reaction to Trumpism has been unlike anything ever seen. If no one wants to fight for the economy or the borders or energy or staying out of wars then have at it
That's what the left doesn't want on the ballot. The democrats can run a pedophile but tweets are the problem
I'm not buying any of that. And I never will
ATBS, everyone here is correct that a DeSantis is going to be absolutely savaged and made to look just like Trump 2.0 by the media anyway. Threat to democracy! MAGAtard! Racist! Nazi! It will be a 24X7 Ron hate train if he runs.