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5th Annual Jesse Callier Commemorative Post-Collegiate Career Impact Ranking Survey RESULTS (2019)
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Teepees have 2 doors?Swaye said:
When a white woman lets a red man go backdoor, she becomes an honorary tribe member. Checkmate.WeakarmCobra said:
I give swaye 4, he lost 1 star because he accepted a white woman as his master and has given her his ballsCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I’m thinking we should do a poll of everyone who voted. I give myself a 5 because I’m awesome. Probably @swaye a 5 too but only because of white guilt.
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Pretty much.Doogles said:
Personal bias or likeability factor is dumb considering it's supposed to be about impact to UW football program, nothing more.Woof said:
He was a low 3, but I agree.Doogles said:
People forget why this thing started in the first place.kh83 said:So I think we all sort of vary a little on what 2-3-4 rankings are, but generally, id bet we all think a 5 is a complete baller, best in the nation worthy and a 1 contributed nothing. For me, Bowman hit the field and played. Thats a minimum 2 ranking.
It's because Jessie Callier WAS a 3 star and I'll die on that sword!
My rating system is something like:
1 - never played, or only played in garbage time and generally sucked - Michael Neal
2 - played a bit, maybe some spot starts, but never held down a full season and/or generally was below average when on the field - Shane Bowman
3 - started about a year and likely contributed another year or two, but generally pretty average - Tevis Bartlett
4 - multi-year starter, above average for at least a year, likely with some postseason honors like Pac-12 1st or 2nd team - BBK
5 - multi-year starter that was above average for multiple years. Made lots of splash plays and won a significant award like the Morris Trophy or was an All-American - MMFG
From there, I will bump up or down a point, given my personal like/dislike of said player. My system likely overrates longevity, but IMHO a guy like Gaskin that stays 4 years and sets a ton of records has a more impactful career than a guy like Byron Murphy that kills it for 18 games and then goes to the NFL. This year was tough because there were so many likeable players in that 3+ range (Sample, String, Tevis, Miller, McIntosh, etc.)
By your definition BBK is a slam dunk 5 (productive multi-year starter, all-american, P12 DPOY, made splash plays) but because Dennis hates white people he's a 4? -
To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
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I don't follow the same rule. To reach 5* status for me means one of two things:dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
1. One season of absolute dominance, 1st team all league, AA consideration at a minimum or at least a consensus among fans that he should have been.
2. Multiple years of All Pac, dominant play (think Greg Gaines, who hasn't sniffed AA but has been a force for three years).
My standards seem to be a bit lower than most. I'll also give a guy 4,* even if he never really plays at a 4* level, for being a good player who contributes for a long time and eventually gets conference level recognition. That, in my mind, is the acceptable floor for a 4* prospect. Some of them need to exceed that if you're to be a good team, but meeting at least that out of all means you're evaluating and coaching well. -
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him. -
Doogles said:
People forget why this thing started in the first place.kh83 said:So I think we all sort of vary a little on what 2-3-4 rankings are, but generally, id bet we all think a 5 is a complete baller, best in the nation worthy and a 1 contributed nothing. For me, Bowman hit the field and played. Thats a minimum 2 ranking.
It's because Jessie Callier WAS a 3 star and I'll die on that sword! -
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
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maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year. -
Minshew gave the cougs their best season in program history, he was a 5-star recruit for Leach. 1st team all-American should be a guaranteed five star. It's pretty much the Pinnacle of what you're trying to recruit.dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
It's not an all time list.
Otherwise just re-rank recruiting classes by position drafted in NFL:
1st round=5 star
2-5= 4-star
6-undrafted = 3-star -
I would say anybody getting drafted is at least a 4 star in that scenario. There's only 250-260 total players picked in a given draft, four stars usually extend down to guys ranked 300-350 depending on the ranking system. I wouldn't base this analysis around the draft picks but if you did nobody getting picked should be a 3 star IMO.Doogles said:
Minshew gave the cougs their best season in program history, he was a 5-star recruit for Leach. 1st team all-American should be a guaranteed five star. It's pretty much the Pinnacle of what you're trying to recruit.dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
It's not an all time list.
Otherwise just re-rank recruiting classes by position drafted in NFL:
1st round=5 star
2-5= 4-star
6-undrafted = 3-star -
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
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Agree, just trying to appease the masses that think an average recruit is a late round draft pick.HillsboroDuck said:
I would say anybody getting drafted is at least a 4 star in that scenario. There's only 250-260 total players picked in a given draft, four stars usually extend down to guys ranked 300-350 depending on the ranking system. I wouldn't base this analysis around the draft picks but if you did nobody getting picked should be a 3 star IMO.Doogles said:
Minshew gave the cougs their best season in program history, he was a 5-star recruit for Leach. 1st team all-American should be a guaranteed five star. It's pretty much the Pinnacle of what you're trying to recruit.dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
It's not an all time list.
Otherwise just re-rank recruiting classes by position drafted in NFL:
1st round=5 star
2-5= 4-star
6-undrafted = 3-star
By the numbers, as you pointed out, anyone drafted should be a 4-star, reserving 1st rounders to elite 5-star status. -
Hobert *may* be a 5? Holy shit man he lead us to our only 12-0 season. He's the definition of a 5. If Hobert's not a 5 there's no point in even doing this exercise.dhdawg said:
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
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Short term excellence >>>> long term above average. -
A 5 changes the program. Rapp led a defense that for 3 years led the conference in defense and a secondary that dominated. Gaskin dominated for 4 years.HillsboroDuck said:
Hobert *may* be a 5? Holy shit man he lead us to our only 12-0 season. He's the definition of a 5. If Hobert's not a 5 there's no point in even doing this exercise.dhdawg said:
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
DISAGREE
Short term excellence >>>> long term mediocrity. This is why everybody kept saying Browning could rewrite his legacy with a shitty rose bowel win.
He didn't, wiw and atbsjbs.
John Ross was a 5. his dominance got us to the highest point this program has been at in over a decade.
I don't see BBK or Murphy being impactful on that kind of a level.
I also don't think long term mediocrity is better. I didn't give mcgary a 5 either.
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BBK was the first 1st team AA LB for Washington since Dave Hoffman. In our dumbass bend don't break scheme that "dominated" the past 3 years under Rapp, it was BBK's sideline to sideline speed and nose for the ball that had the biggest impact in making a team earn their points. Our dominate secondary also got shredded by any passing team with a pulse the past 3 years minus the coogs.dhdawg said:
A 5 changes the program. Rapp led a defense that for 3 years led the conference in defense and a secondary that dominated. Gaskin dominated for 4 years.HillsboroDuck said:
Hobert *may* be a 5? Holy shit man he lead us to our only 12-0 season. He's the definition of a 5. If Hobert's not a 5 there's no point in even doing this exercise.dhdawg said:
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
DISAGREE
Short term excellence >>>> long term mediocrity. This is why everybody kept saying Browning could rewrite his legacy with a shitty rose bowel win.
He didn't, wiw and atbsjbs.
John Ross was a 5. his dominance got us to the highest point this program has been at in over a decade.
I don't see BBK or Murphy being impactful on that kind of a level.
I also don't think long term mediocrity is better. I didn't give mcgary a 5 either.
I'm not trying to change your mind, just find it interesting where people draw the line on players for mythical reasons.
Edit: Didn't want to disrespect the old timers so I went to wiki for some fact checking, BBK is UWs only concencus AA LB since Rick Redman in the early 60s. -
Ross had one great season.dhdawg said:
A 5 changes the program. Rapp led a defense that for 3 years led the conference in defense and a secondary that dominated. Gaskin dominated for 4 years.HillsboroDuck said:
Hobert *may* be a 5? Holy shit man he lead us to our only 12-0 season. He's the definition of a 5. If Hobert's not a 5 there's no point in even doing this exercise.dhdawg said:
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
DISAGREE
Short term excellence >>>> long term mediocrity. This is why everybody kept saying Browning could rewrite his legacy with a shitty rose bowel win.
He didn't, wiw and atbsjbs.
John Ross was a 5. his dominance got us to the highest point this program has been at in over a decade.
I don't see BBK or Murphy being impactful on that kind of a level.
I also don't think long term mediocrity is better. I didn't give mcgary a 5 either. -
John Ross was shit except for one seasondhdawg said:
A 5 changes the program. Rapp led a defense that for 3 years led the conference in defense and a secondary that dominated. Gaskin dominated for 4 years.HillsboroDuck said:
Hobert *may* be a 5? Holy shit man he lead us to our only 12-0 season. He's the definition of a 5. If Hobert's not a 5 there's no point in even doing this exercise.dhdawg said:
there is a line I've been thinking about to where a 1 year guy can be a 5. Billy Joe only played one year but won a NC at QB. he may be a 5. Tui given he led a team to 11-1 and won a rose bowl may be over that line too.HillsboroDuck said:
By this definition Marques Tuiasosopo would have been a 4.dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
DISAGREE
Short term excellence >>>> long term mediocrity. This is why everybody kept saying Browning could rewrite his legacy with a shitty rose bowel win.
He didn't, wiw and atbsjbs.
John Ross was a 5. his dominance got us to the highest point this program has been at in over a decade.
I don't see BBK or Murphy being impactful on that kind of a level.
I also don't think long term mediocrity is better. I didn't give mcgary a 5 either. -
yes he's an example of someone whose 1 year was great enough to warrant a 5.
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But Billy Joe warrants consideration.dhdawg said:yes he's an example of someone whose 1 year was great enough to warrant a 5.
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He didn’t get abused in the Stanford game. Since Lawyer Milloy said it, it must be true?dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
Some idiots on this board: “Teams run right at BBK.”
You mean that football teams run the ball between the tackles sometimes? Who knew? -
This thread went to shit in a hurry
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I made the last good poast. Not my fault that I followed up with a shitty poastWeakarmCobra said:This thread went to shit in a hurry
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Dave Hoffman said the same thing after the Stanford game down there as well.RoadDawg55 said:
He didn’t get abused in the Stanford game. Since Lawyer Milloy said it, it must be true?dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
Some idiots on this board: “Teams run right at BBK.”
You mean that football teams run the ball between the tackles sometimes? Who knew? -
I remember Joyner and Bryant getting abused. Love was mostly held in check until a big run late (McIntosh bad angle).godawgst said:
Dave Hoffman said the same thing after the Stanford game down there as well.RoadDawg55 said:
He didn’t get abused in the Stanford game. Since Lawyer Milloy said it, it must be true?dhdawg said:
maybe my standard for a 5 is too high. I would not give minshew a 5, didn't get to watch dillon. It's almost impossible to have the program building impact required for a 5 in 1 year.Doogles said:
So guys like Corey Dillon and Minshew can never be 5s?dhdawg said:To be a 5 the guy needs to have multiple years playing at an elite level. Rapp and gaskin both had that. Murphy and BBK both had 1 year and that's why they are 4's.
Also BBK was all Pac12 as a junior and led the team in tackles by like 20, had just as many picks as Rapp(1), 2 more forced fumbles, more passes defensed, but whatever he's undersized and Dennis hates him.
BBK is a very high 4. Last year he put up a lot of stats but in terms of making big plays and showing up in big moments he was far and away better this year. He was abused in the Stanford game last year.
Some idiots on this board: “Teams run right at BBK.”
You mean that football teams run the ball between the tackles sometimes? Who knew?
