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pawz
pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,428 Founders Club
IWOODPIIHB.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/tulsi-gabbard-2020-president-run-1098629




I could strongly consider casting a vote. She seems more pragmatic then Left.

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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    She supports medicare for all, free college and the green new deal. Still strongly considering it?
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,428 Founders Club

    She supports medicare for all, free college and the green new deal. Still strongly considering it?

    The first two are all about restructuring the system to control cost. If it's the same 'blank-check' approach as Bernie, than No. If green new deal is drawn up like AOC's plan to tax people through their eye-balls, then No.




    https://youtu.be/oIb2lmHgd5s


  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    So, I’m not going to watch the interview right now but I will try and get to it. I’m happy to have another progressive voice in the process. I’m guessing though that one of two things happened. She’s either a slimy politician that just tells different groups what they want to hear or she understood her audience and sold you on Bernie’s and AOC’s policies. One of those would doom her in this political climate and the other would make her a real contender.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    progressive=communist. Stop sugar coating this shit and come out and say what you mean!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Actual lucidity from the addled brain of Grandpa Race. Kudos.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    pawz said:

    She supports medicare for all, free college and the green new deal. Still strongly considering it?

    The first two are all about restructuring the system to control cost. If it's the same 'blank-check' approach as Bernie, than No. If green new deal is drawn up like AOC's plan to tax people through their eye-balls, then No.




    https://youtu.be/oIb2lmHgd5s


    *then
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,384
    Since over 50% of healthcare spending is paid by Medicare / Medicaid already, market forces are pretty much impossible going forward in health care.

    By law, Emergency Departments must treat every person who walks through their doors and it is the most expensive point of care / service. That doesn't make any financial sense, neither does Congress prohibiting Medicare / Medicaid; that defies economies of scale and purchasing power. What sense does that make?

    Medicare and Medicaid block grants to the states could be a solution.

    To get Republicans on board, there might need to be some changes to HUD for a compromise. The Federal Government is too big, has had significant mission creep since the 60's, and since it can run annual deficits (unlike the States), more waste (than usual government spending) happens at the Federal level.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,026
    The Throbber envisions just a ridiculous S&M, foursome hate fuck session with Tulsi Gabbard, OAC and Kyrsten Sinema. Then light them all on fire.

  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited January 2019
    She has no chance...unfortunately

    She’s much more moderate than most on the left, and that’s the very thing that will kill her chances.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,428 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)

    You're such a fucking piece of shit of a human being. Go fuck yourself.


    #aclockworkshill #rightontim


  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,026
    Just watched a bit.

    Yeah, for sure I'd fuck her. It might even not be hateful. Seems like a decent person. Probably would be up for so hot lesbo/threesome action too.

    I'm not gonna vote for her shit but for a politician, she's a sold 7 or 8.

    Palin's tits are still better. And she's fucked an NBA player so Tulsi's got some catchup to do. A boob job and a visit to the Lakers preseason camp.




  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)

    You're such a fucking piece of shit of a human being. Go fuck yourself.


    #aclockworkshill #rightontim


    Triggered.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,428 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)

    You're such a fucking piece of shit of a human being. Go fuck yourself.


    #aclockworkshill #rightontim


    Triggered.

    Telling the truth, does not a triggered person make. Faggot.





  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    @2001400ex "But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up.

    That statement is so fucking stoopid - if the government takes it will be more fucked - everyone associated with the system become stinking rich along with any of the lobbyists and politicians who would push something like that on us. THE GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN AT RUNNING ANYTHING


    Name something they run that is efficient? Elections? our highway system? Hey maybe airtraffic control - but I am sure even that made people millions
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    LebamDawg said:

    @2001400ex "But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up.

    That statement is so fucking stoopid - if the government takes it will be more fucked - everyone associated with the system become stinking rich along with any of the lobbyists and politicians who would push something like that on us. THE GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN AT RUNNING ANYTHING


    Name something they run that is efficient? Elections? our highway system? Hey maybe airtraffic control - but I am sure even that made people millions

    You can’t. One-third of the federal government is shut down. Who even notices? Shut the whole sit show down!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    LebamDawg said:

    @2001400ex "But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up.

    That statement is so fucking stoopid - if the government takes it will be more fucked - everyone associated with the system become stinking rich along with any of the lobbyists and politicians who would push something like that on us. THE GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN AT RUNNING ANYTHING


    Name something they run that is efficient? Elections? our highway system? Hey maybe airtraffic control - but I am sure even that made people millions

    You deleted the words right after that quote where I said that the government was awful and inefficient. I'm glad that you agree, Otherwise nice rant.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,428 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    @2001400ex "But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up.

    That statement is so fucking stoopid - if the government takes it will be more fucked - everyone associated with the system become stinking rich along with any of the lobbyists and politicians who would push something like that on us. THE GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN AT RUNNING ANYTHING


    Name something they run that is efficient? Elections? our highway system? Hey maybe airtraffic control - but I am sure even that made people millions

    You deleted the words right after that quote where I said that the government was awful and inefficient. I'm glad that you agree, Otherwise nice rant.
    Fuck off.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    HFNY said:

    Since over 50% of healthcare spending is paid by Medicare / Medicaid already, market forces are pretty much impossible going forward in health care.

    By law, Emergency Departments must treat every person who walks through their doors and it is the most expensive point of care / service. That doesn't make any financial sense, neither does Congress prohibiting Medicare / Medicaid; that defies economies of scale and purchasing power. What sense does that make?

    Medicare and Medicaid block grants to the states could be a solution.

    To get Republicans on board, there might need to be some changes to HUD for a compromise. The Federal Government is too big, has had significant mission creep since the 60's, and since it can run annual deficits (unlike the States), more waste (than usual government spending) happens at the Federal level.

    Significant mission creep is plaguing every government agency at all times. Fucking kingdom builders, man.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    dflea said:

    HFNY said:

    Since over 50% of healthcare spending is paid by Medicare / Medicaid already, market forces are pretty much impossible going forward in health care.

    By law, Emergency Departments must treat every person who walks through their doors and it is the most expensive point of care / service. That doesn't make any financial sense, neither does Congress prohibiting Medicare / Medicaid; that defies economies of scale and purchasing power. What sense does that make?

    Medicare and Medicaid block grants to the states could be a solution.

    To get Republicans on board, there might need to be some changes to HUD for a compromise. The Federal Government is too big, has had significant mission creep since the 60's, and since it can run annual deficits (unlike the States), more waste (than usual government spending) happens at the Federal level.

    Significant mission creep is plaguing every government agency at all times. Fucking kingdom builders, man.
    Exactly why it’s important to vote straight Dem in every election. Stop Federal Government growth!
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,170 Standard Supporter

    She has no chance...unfortunately

    She’s much more moderate than most on the left, and that’s the very thing that will kill her chances.

    And she's from Hawaii which means not much of a base or money.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2019
    2001400ex said:

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)
    Fuck. You’re an idiot.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    dflea said:

    HFNY said:

    Since over 50% of healthcare spending is paid by Medicare / Medicaid already, market forces are pretty much impossible going forward in health care.

    By law, Emergency Departments must treat every person who walks through their doors and it is the most expensive point of care / service. That doesn't make any financial sense, neither does Congress prohibiting Medicare / Medicaid; that defies economies of scale and purchasing power. What sense does that make?

    Medicare and Medicaid block grants to the states could be a solution.

    To get Republicans on board, there might need to be some changes to HUD for a compromise. The Federal Government is too big, has had significant mission creep since the 60's, and since it can run annual deficits (unlike the States), more waste (than usual government spending) happens at the Federal level.

    Significant mission creep is plaguing every government agency at all times. Fucking kingdom builders, man.
    Exactly why it’s important to vote straight Dem in every election. Stop Federal Government growth!
    Trump has successfully shut down 1/3 of the government. I’ll vote for him when he proves he can shut the entire farce down for good. I’m slightly approving of that fat fuck’s performance so far in 2019.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    I support unfucking up our health care insurance and delivery system. The last attempt did not make it better. The entrenched in DC don't really want to make it better. They do have the best healthcare in the world and we pay for it. A little class warfare there.



    Obamacare did have some good things. For one, it did cut costs on Medicare and such and overall, the growth in medical and insurance costs slowed. Two, setting up exchanges on the internet to shop is something that needed to happen and wouldn't have otherwise.

    You can argue other things such as the individual mandate and additional taxes and some of the regulations which added costs to Businesses, such as the annual ACA reporting requirement.

    That being said, and you will disagree with this. But as long as there is a profit motive in people's health Care decisions, the system will be fucked up. The government is awful and inefficient. But everyone on this board would save money, and have the same care, if we went to a single payer system. (Assuming it was done right which is a whole other argument)
    Fuck. You’re an idiot.
    Nice well thought out response as always.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,026
    dflea said:

    HFNY said:

    Since over 50% of healthcare spending is paid by Medicare / Medicaid already, market forces are pretty much impossible going forward in health care.

    By law, Emergency Departments must treat every person who walks through their doors and it is the most expensive point of care / service. That doesn't make any financial sense, neither does Congress prohibiting Medicare / Medicaid; that defies economies of scale and purchasing power. What sense does that make?

    Medicare and Medicaid block grants to the states could be a solution.

    To get Republicans on board, there might need to be some changes to HUD for a compromise. The Federal Government is too big, has had significant mission creep since the 60's, and since it can run annual deficits (unlike the States), more waste (than usual government spending) happens at the Federal level.

    Significant mission creep is plaguing every government agency at all times. Fucking kingdom builders, man.
    IRL the Throbber actually interacts with a couple Federal agencies on occasion. Last interaction was BY FAR the most receptive to doing business. The previously heretofore fucks were actually pretty good guys and offered suggestions on how to expand and push the project through. Same thing with some environmental bullshit that was holding up the show. Gone.

    It was almost like they were trying to actually help the people get jobs in the god forsaken wasteland where this project is located. It makes Pullman look like Vancouver or San Francisco.

    I asked them about their new helpful attitude, all cheery and shit. They said it's a total different world with the Trumpster wheeling and dealing. They'd been twiddling their thumbs the last eight years.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited January 2019
    I watched the video. She’s likeable, isn’t full of Shit and cares about her people. She’s a veteran, knows the ins and outs of how things work in Washington and the MIddle East. She worked with Bernie, and would push some of his policy. But she’s not married to it. Sounded as if she worked with Him as the lesser of 2 evils more than anything. It would be interesting to me to learn more about her platform as time moves on.

    In the here and now it seems the Dems May be taking a hard left with all of their new Congress people getting attention on Twitter and elsewhere. The Wokescolds will try to fry her for her Father and some of her policy towards gays when she was younger. But most of that will be forgotten when it comes time to groom and pare down the field. The moderates will be left standing in the end.


    #grabthepopcorn.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    She supports medicare for all, free college and the green new deal. Still strongly considering it?

    The first two are all about restructuring the system to control cost. If it's the same 'blank-check' approach as Bernie, than No. If green new deal is drawn up like AOC's plan to tax people through their eye-balls, then No.

    Even that Mormon armpit sex would be sloppy with those flabby upper arms. And she's got the deepest female voice since Maude. 2 immediate strikes.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    Our resident commies candidate of choice: